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flying disc has been found and is now in

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so where are we today with rendelsham

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pretty famous case right

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i have

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way over 25 years invested in

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randallshim

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but i want to take you back for a second

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and i want to go way back because today

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it all seems easy to do but

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but back with the internet 1.0 you know

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that was happening back in 1995

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i don't know i i don't really remember

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how this worked out but i had found a

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website

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that had the original audio recordings

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of colonel charles halt

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and back then

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when i thought that i had found and read

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everything that i could have at the time

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about rental shim i find these

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recordings right

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and now if you're too young to remember

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what the web was like back then well

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audio and video just didn't exist they

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you could view a picture but it would

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literally take minutes it would scan up

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and you know forget about audio video

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well you know let's just say that there

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was no video back in 1995 there was ways

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to do it and you could

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take the clips of files and you would

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have these little uh apps that would you

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know put everything together you have to

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download everything and

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it was it was just miserable uh you

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remember that clipping

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putting clips together anyway

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back to the audio files um of

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i believe i had to download them and

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then somehow played them back

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i listen to them over and over and over

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reviewing the event in my head while

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listening to it listening to halt

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describe what was going on

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it was an incredible thing to do i would

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you know on my couch

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and i would have all this reference

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material out and i was printing stuff

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and i'm listening to halt and and i'm

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taking notes

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it was remarkable

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and to have those audio recordings of an

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event going down as it did with the

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military it was just it was

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incredible for me

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i was chasing down whatever i could find

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you know and i i i can assure you that

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seriously that up to that point

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i had read

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every single word that had been

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published on

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there was nothing else available somehow

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i got a copy of brenda butler dot street

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and jenny randall's book sky crash a

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cosmic conspiracy

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and that was about it i was all in on

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rendelsham

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i studied it i knew all of the

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characters

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and since then i've interviewed most of

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the original players who were in and

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around the forest and the base during

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the incidents

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which were not you know just one night

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but over three days back in late

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december of 1980

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john burroughs

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is one of those

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og original gangsta

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and i have discussed the event with him

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both in person

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and over the phone many many times i've

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also interviewed him a few times over

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the years and

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just when everyone thought that

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reynoldshim was pretty much on the

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record well you know what things have

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and i find john

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who

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when when you meet john in person

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and you talk to him you find him one of

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the most credible believable down to

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earth uh people on this planet he's just

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one of those guys

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and the last interview i did with john

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i thought that we pretty much had the

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best conversation anywhere on

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randallshim on the internet period done

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it was just that was that was a lockdown

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he was he was in he was in the zone

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the conversation went where it needed to

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and i thought that that was it and i

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thought that we could finally start to

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move on

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but over the last year

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uh friendships

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have broken down

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in the reynoldshim case

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new evidence has come forward and

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there's even a new documentary to be to

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be released later this year if you want

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to call it a documentary i haven't seen

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it yet and so i don't know exactly

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what's going on there's actors involved

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documentary uh you know i don't know

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documentary means documents but you know

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that's the very definition of it so

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you're bringing things forward so i

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don't know

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what the context is of the film but it's

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supposed to be released in may it's

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called cable green

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on top of all of that

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uh back in

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december 2018

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it was about dr david clarke a british

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ufo researcher reporting a claim that

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rendell shim

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are you ready

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was a setup

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by the sas the british as a revenge plot

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on the united states air force and

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according to this story

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in august of 1986 months before

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rendelsham the sas parachuted into raf

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woodbridge

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to test the security at the nuclear site

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all right now today

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it's pretty well established that there

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were nuclear weapons at woodbridge but

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apparently back then it was top secret

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wasn't supposed to be is nato and all

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kinds of other stuff so

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that is according to this report and

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that the united states air force had

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recently upgraded their radar and

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detected the black parachutes of the sas

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men as they descended to the base the

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sas troops were interrogated and

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allegedly beaten up

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by the united states air force personnel

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with the ultimate insult that they were

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called the sas

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unidentified aliens i'm putting that in

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quotes

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now to enact their revenge

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the sas

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gave the united states air force their

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own version of an alien event now i'm

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quoting here from the article it says

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as december approached

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lights and color flares were rigged in

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the woods black helium balloons were

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also coupled to remote controlled kites

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to carry suspended materials into the

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sky activated by radio controls

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so what does that say

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for all of us here in the ufo community

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you read something like this is this

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something else that has been released to

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further cloud rendership

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for us to jump up and say hey here's

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another example of the man trying to

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cover up something that really happened

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in the forest that night

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you know i i don't know i i don't know

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or is it somebody that's just making all

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of this up there were some comments

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from the the league commander of the

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united states side and he said nah

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that's all made up it never happened so

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i i don't know but it's interesting to

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me to have this

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alleged incident

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appear on the front page of russia today

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again uh bringing up rendleshim there

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are even more developments that we'll be

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discussing tonight with our guest john

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burroughs as we try to get to the last

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word on rendlesham

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there is a couple of things tonight

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that john is going to discuss some of it

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has been out there already somewhat

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and there's other uh information tonight

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that has never been discussed live on

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the air and we're going to do all of

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that with john and i will say this once

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it seems to be not the case so we're

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going to do all of that tonight with our

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guest john burroughs tomorrow night

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paola harris is here and we're going to

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discuss whistleblowers tomorrow that's

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what we're going to do and also we're

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going to talk about ufology in

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thursday night is fader night open lines

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all night long

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host jimmy church i'll be right back

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john burroughs stay with me

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tonight john burroughs is here

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gonna put the fork

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with the fork in randallshim

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tomorrow night paola harris is here

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discussing whistleblowers thursday fader

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night open lines friday i'm at the namm

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show in anaheim california

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saturday i'm over at coast to coast a.m

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sunday i'm going to sleep for 18

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straight hours and then monday right

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back here on fade to black hey rita

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should i disclose right now who our

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guest is on monday

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should i do it

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you know what i'm going to give you guys

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a sneak peek

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monday i'm fade to black

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daryl inca bashar

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[Laughter]

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yeah

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that's monday unfaded black okay tonight

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is john burroughs john entered the

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united states air force in 1979 and

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served 27 years both in active and

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reserve duty he is currently

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united states air force reserve retired

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or retired from the air force reserves

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john had various assignments throughout

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his air force career some of these

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assignments were at luke air force base

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osan air force base grissom air force

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base and that's indiana right castle air

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force base with the reserve assignments

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at davis monthan

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air force base prime prime beef is that

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right

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williams air force base reese air force

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base luke air force base

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and has been on many deployments from

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italy to the middle east most notable

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assignment though

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was in 1979 when he was assigned as a

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security police law enforcement

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patrolman at raf bent waters england

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twin base with raf woodbridge together

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they amassed the largest tactical

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fighter wing in the united states air

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force in the early morning hours of

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december 26 1980 while working law

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enforcement patrol at raf woodbridge

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he had that singular life-changing event

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where he conducted an investigation on a

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phenomenon which has left the rest of

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the world in awe

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of one of the most documented and

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witnessed sightings by united states

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military in known history i would like

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to welcome back to fade to black

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our good friend john burroughs john good

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evening man how are you

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thanks jimmy glad to be back and things

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are going well even though it's raining

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and icy here tonight yeah you know uh

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and and welcome back to the program and

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before we get started here how was your

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new year's how was your christmas

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it was good you know boring but good i

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mean nothing nothing spectacular you

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know like what happened 38 years ago

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yeah you know what's funny i was sitting

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here thinking uh you and i

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over the years have amassed i don't know

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how many hours of phone calls right that

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we have logged in with each other trying

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to figure out this this situation with

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rental ship and you and i haven't talked

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since you were last on the air a year

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ago and i don't know how that happened

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john i miss our phone calls

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and well it's been busy has it been busy

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time in ufo land i guess yeah you know

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and it's just one of those things and i

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just thought wow that's that doesn't

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seem right

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but

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12 months can get you know get away from

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us really quick so welcome back to the

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program

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and uh i wanted to ask you

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uh before uh we get started a couple of

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things

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um

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the

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united states air force and this is

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unrelated to rendelsham okay so i'm

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gonna catch you off guard here

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and uh the united states air force their

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military police is called the security

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force correct

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well it was security police back when i

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first came in but as i was transiting

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out

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it would have been around 2000 they

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changed the security forces right

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security forces now we're in the middle

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of this government shutdown

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and i started to think about this over

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the last week

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and was thinking about area 51 right now

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that is an air force base i believe

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that the air force is running the base

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along with you know probably the cia and

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whoever else is running those black

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projects out there

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so on what do you think what do you know

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um

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uh is the united states air force

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security force on base is that who would

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be patrolling

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uh area 51 what's your best guess there

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well yeah definitely up until when i got

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out the air force was the main security

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behind the base itself but they did have

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government contractors also working

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there but what's happened since i got

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out in six i'm i can't tell you a

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hundred percent but there's no doubt

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anywhere you have an air force

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installation you're gonna have air force

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security people on it and so this is

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this is how my polluted mind works right

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so i'm sitting here thinking the

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government shutdown we've got issues

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with tsa in the prisons and everything

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else right furloughed employees

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do you think that the camo dudes that

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are patrolling outside of the perimeter

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of area 51 are those dudes furloughed

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right

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now is there any security force outside

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of area 51 well i think that would come

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under essential personnel that the

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government didn't furlough you know what

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i mean right and the funny thing is is

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people don't realize that if you get

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furloughed at least you can draw an

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employment so you may not be getting

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full pay but at least you're getting

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something

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so the guys that are having to work and

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not getting paid they can't draw

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unemployment that that's just wrong

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right

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it's wrong it's wrong and so this is the

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i think this is the best time to go

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crash the gates man

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yeah

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let's go out there and see what's going

519
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on okay yeah go go go have some fun

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jimmy you know

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i'm good with it i wouldn't uh want to

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do that

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you know i'm just saying what you know

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you know with all of the land grabs that

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they did you know peekaboo and and all

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of the uh ridges out there around area

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51 it's it you know who's monitoring

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that right now i don't know

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oh it's being monitored

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yeah yeah they'd be monitoring that yeah

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oh you're crushing me i was thinking oh

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i'm sorry well you know the way to find

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out is uh on your busy schedule maybe

534
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not this weekend but if it's still going

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on the week after go up there and find

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out that's what i said last night on the

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air you know i can't do it this weekend

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but next weekend road trip man let's

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take a road trip

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to put my toe in that pond you know and

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see what happens yeah

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okay now uh next uh thing that i want to

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get out of the way i was thinking about

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this too as well is do you have a fade

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to black shirt

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no i don't never got one i think you

547
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were going to try to give me one when i

548
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was down at roswell and came on but you

549
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ran out of 2x

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okay so it's 2x because you would be the

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biggest billboard that i could i could

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imagine

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and so there you go because i remember

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that conversation so it didn't happen is

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what you're saying we've got to get you

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one because uh there you go okay my last

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stupid question before we get started

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00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:27,679
did you ever play basketball

559
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yeah i played basketball i coached

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00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:31,360
basketball too so and

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why because you how tall are you

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uh air force officially lists me at 79

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inches which is six six foot six six

564
00:23:45,270 --> 00:23:41,360
foot six okay i didn't think you were

565
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:45,280
that short okay so six foot six was

566
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:47,200
there a career did you have a jump shot

567
00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:48,159
did you

568
00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:52,159
in basketball

569
00:23:57,669 --> 00:23:54,400
well let's just say uh i had an

570
00:23:59,190 --> 00:23:57,679
interesting uh run at basketball i got

571
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:59,200
hurt my senior year in high school i

572
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:01,039
hurt my back pretty bad

573
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:03,520
and it took me a while to recover from

574
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:06,080
that and instead of hanging around or

575
00:24:09,669 --> 00:24:08,080
waiting going to college i joined the

576
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:09,679
air force so

577
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:11,520
that kind of killed ever any chance of

578
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:13,039
ever going to college and going further

579
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:15,200
with it you know because i'm six foot

580
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:17,840
and i remember i knew that you were tall

581
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:19,360
and i remember the first time that we

582
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:22,320
met i i wasn't prepared for that i i

583
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:25,440
seriously you say six six i'm going six

584
00:24:28,149 --> 00:24:26,960
seven six eight

585
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:28,159
but uh

586
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:30,720
yeah you know with my jump shot if i had

587
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:32,720
your height i'd be in i that's where i

588
00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:33,760
would go

589
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:35,840
right there's no doubt about it okay now

590
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:38,000
let's let's move on

591
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:40,320
there is i'm going to start with the

592
00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:42,240
latest and then we're going to go

593
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:45,520
straight to december 26 1980 uh after

594
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:48,559
that but uh last month

595
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:51,520
uh there was this article that was uh

596
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:55,200
released and i caught it on uh rt

597
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:58,880
uh about this dr clark that says

598
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:01,120
he's debunked rendell shim that it was a

599
00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:03,840
big prank put on by the sas

600
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:06,320
because you guys went and beat up some

601
00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:08,880
of their paratroopers uh during an

602
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:10,720
interrogation so they wanted to pull a

603
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:12,240
prank on you guys and it was done with

604
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:14,799
kites and balloons and radio controlled

605
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:18,400
this and that uh did you see the article

606
00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:21,360
well yeah and honestly

607
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,960
not to uh

608
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:24,480
not to be

609
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:26,559
what i mean the article if you read it

610
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:29,440
from beginning to finish clark scoffed

611
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:32,000
at that at the end of the article he um

612
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:34,000
dave clark's an interesting guy if you

613
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:35,520
want to spend a few minutes on him

614
00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:37,600
because the listeners might want to know

615
00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:39,520
a few things about what he's done with

616
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:41,840
randallstrom and other

617
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:44,080
well so what what was what's your

618
00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:47,840
response to that is there a possibility

619
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:50,480
that all of this was just a giant prank

620
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:52,880
by the sas no and if you read the

621
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:54,880
article from again he even says it

622
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:56,720
wasn't it was something that he's

623
00:26:01,510 --> 00:25:58,799
actually intrigued by the fact that he

624
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:01,520
was contacted about that because he's

625
00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:03,840
done a lot of foia not just on reynolds

626
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:06,080
from but a lot of stuff right and for

627
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:08,159
the longest time he was more of a

628
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:10,960
skeptic and he's still not on board with

629
00:26:15,669 --> 00:26:13,440
the fact that aliens have visited us or

630
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:15,679
reynolds alien-based

631
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:17,840
but he's done enough foia and done

632
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:20,320
enough things that he's come to realize

633
00:26:23,909 --> 00:26:21,840
that that the british government's

634
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:23,919
hiding something and i think that's the

635
00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:26,640
reason behind this in other words

636
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:29,919
you've got an uh an anonymous source

637
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:32,400
coming forward with this story

638
00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:36,080
and it feels like it was written to get

639
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:37,360
out there

640
00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:38,400
to

641
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:39,279
uh

642
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:43,520
you know dismiss rendell shim in general

643
00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:46,080
and i am when i see something like that

644
00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:48,880
john my initial reaction is okay

645
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:50,559
they are trying to cover something up

646
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:52,799
right and this is what they are doing

647
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:54,480
and that's right that's the way it hit

648
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:55,279
me

649
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:57,360
right and not only that but it the the

650
00:27:01,510 --> 00:26:59,200
the backstory on david clarke was and i

651
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:01,520
was pretty harsh on him because i i

652
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:03,039
worked i tried to work with him a little

653
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:04,640
bit because he actually reached out to

654
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:06,720
the base commander at the time of our

655
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:09,200
incident colonel conrad right and had an

656
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:11,360
interesting conversation with him and

657
00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:12,559
through

658
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:14,799
david clarke i actually met with conrad

659
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:16,880
and talked to him and clark tried to

660
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:20,159
downplay what conrad said by not putting

661
00:27:24,070 --> 00:27:21,919
everything that conrad responded to him

662
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:24,080
on and i called him on this and then

663
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:26,000
there was another part where

664
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:28,480
i did a lot of foia with the british

665
00:27:32,230 --> 00:27:30,000
government and

666
00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:32,240
they admitted they were holding files

667
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:33,840
that you know they'd already said they'd

668
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:36,000
released them all and david clarke was

669
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:38,480
part of the final

670
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:39,919
you know when they said they released

671
00:27:43,750 --> 00:27:42,000
them all and clark kind of pooh-poohed

672
00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:43,760
me on that and then i come to find out

673
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:45,039
later why

674
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:47,279
he is a major thorn in the british

675
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:49,919
government outside and he does tons of

676
00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:53,440
foia and when he was brought in to come

677
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:55,520
out with the final files he already knew

678
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:58,159
there were files well let's just say he

679
00:28:02,149 --> 00:27:59,520
was told these files are going to be

680
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:02,159
released and they weren't and so what he

681
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:04,480
did was from the day he got egg on his

682
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:05,360
face

683
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:07,360
with the fact that he knew personally

684
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:09,039
that those files hadn't been released

685
00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:11,679
he's been a major thorn in her side and

686
00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:14,080
to say that well he could be lying no i

687
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,640
saw the emails i saw he gave me

688
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:18,480
everything on on what one took place

689
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:20,720
with the british government and there's

690
00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:22,960
a court that at the end of the day when

691
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:24,640
they were stonewalling him on these

692
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:27,440
final files that i found out about that

693
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:30,000
he took it to the highest court and what

694
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:32,399
ended up happening was they released the

695
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:34,000
files to him but they still haven't

696
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:36,000
publicly released them to the rest of

697
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:39,360
the public so he's got the files because

698
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:40,799
if it would have went to the court it

699
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:42,720
would have become major news and it

700
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:44,399
would have looked again like what are

701
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:46,880
they hiding or are they covering so he's

702
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:48,960
got the files but they still haven't

703
00:28:51,909 --> 00:28:50,559
released the files to the public if you

704
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:51,919
can believe that

705
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:53,279
okay

706
00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:56,320
this is where we are going to jump back

707
00:29:01,750 --> 00:29:00,320
to december 26th uh 1980. i want

708
00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:01,760
everybody

709
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:05,120
uh to know hashtag f2bq

710
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:06,960
is where i want everybody to post their

711
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:09,440
questions uh for john tonight anything

712
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:10,799
that you have

713
00:29:15,510 --> 00:29:12,799
uh that you've had on your mind about

714
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:15,520
randall shim and you want that question

715
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:16,559
answered

716
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:19,120
uh post it there now look there is the

717
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:20,640
possibility here that we're gonna have

718
00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:23,360
one or two hundred questions uh posted

719
00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:25,760
up there i obviously can't get to all of

720
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:27,919
those in two hours two and a half hours

721
00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:30,799
but uh post them there and i will uh i

722
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:32,320
will get to them

723
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:33,840
uh let's

724
00:29:40,149 --> 00:29:38,559
start with the very basic basic and then

725
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:40,159
we're gonna move forward through all of

726
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:41,200
this

727
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:42,159
um

728
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:44,240
what were you doing before you were

729
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:48,240
notified on december 26th uh were you on

730
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:49,520
patrol

731
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:51,840
yeah i was it was a our last midnight

732
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:53,760
shift we worked um

733
00:30:00,070 --> 00:29:56,240
three swings three mids the swing shifts

734
00:30:02,070 --> 00:30:00,080
were from three to 11 or uh 1500 to 2300

735
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:02,080
and the midnight shifts were 2300 to

736
00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:05,039
0700 and we were on our final midnight

737
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:06,640
shift so we actually came on duty

738
00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:09,360
christmas night at 2300

739
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:12,559
and around 0-300 on the 26th which is

740
00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:14,640
boxing day in the uk

741
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:16,960
we were i was on patrol my supervisor we

742
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:18,399
were driving around he was new to the

743
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:20,320
base and we were just driving around

744
00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:21,760
getting to know each other talking about

745
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:23,440
different things and his philosophies

746
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:25,760
and stuff and as we were going down to

747
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:27,919
do a check down at the back part of the

748
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:29,919
base where the east gate was but that

749
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:31,120
was one of the things we're supposed to

750
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:33,360
check on he saw something strange in the

751
00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:34,480
sky

752
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:37,520
now so you were part of that patrol

753
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:40,000
yes okay and

754
00:30:45,430 --> 00:30:41,440
so

755
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:45,440
as you were down by eastgate

756
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:46,559
uh

757
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:48,720
there were things in the sky

758
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:50,559
did you see anything

759
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:51,760
uh

760
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:54,000
descending did you see anything coming

761
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:56,080
down into randall shim

762
00:31:00,549 --> 00:30:57,919
i personally didn't he did that's what

763
00:31:02,389 --> 00:31:00,559
he initially saw and then when he got my

764
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:02,399
attention because i've been there a year

765
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:04,880
and a half and the gate wasn't normally

766
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:06,880
open at night but then on alerts and

767
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:08,960
other things it would be um and i've

768
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:11,440
been down there you know i was on patrol

769
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:13,919
and on the gate during alerts and stuff

770
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:15,600
and he just said hey i just saw

771
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:17,440
something come down and there it is in

772
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:18,799
the forest

773
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:20,080
have you ever seen anything like that

774
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:22,480
and i took a look i said no i haven't no

775
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:23,919
i've never seen anything like that out

776
00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:26,399
in the forest you know you know and he

777
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:27,440
said oh

778
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:29,919
and then we had a brief discussion and

779
00:31:34,389 --> 00:31:32,640
we decided we would go off base which is

780
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:34,399
not what we really were supposed to do

781
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:36,720
with not telling anybody but it was one

782
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:38,480
of those things where what is it what's

783
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:40,799
going on and let's take a closer look

784
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:43,039
before we say anything and opened up the

785
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:44,640
gate went down to the end of the road

786
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:46,640
that would have teed either you went

787
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:48,960
right to one of the villages or you went

788
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:50,880
left towards bent waters

789
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:52,880
and he did a little bit of a u-turn and

790
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:54,640
i jumped out and you could still see the

791
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:56,159
lights it was more like a white light

792
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:58,159
that was in the forest with some little

793
00:32:01,830 --> 00:31:59,519
colored lights

794
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:01,840
in the forest i always said early on

795
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:03,760
when i was asked more specifically about

796
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:05,279
it was it looked like a christmas light

797
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:06,960
display different colored lights within

798
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:08,720
the big white light

799
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:10,720
and um

800
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:12,559
and there was a static electricity in

801
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:14,640
the air and i don't know if you've ever

802
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:16,320
experienced it jimmy but have you ever

803
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:17,440
just been in an area where all of a

804
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:20,080
sudden you just feel like uh oh

805
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:22,720
you know this ain't right and

806
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:24,480
there's something here that's

807
00:32:28,149 --> 00:32:26,559
feels a little out of place and i don't

808
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:28,159
want to call it a major threat but you

809
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:29,440
just don't feel right you don't feel

810
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:30,799
comfortable you want to get out of there

811
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:31,919
so

812
00:32:35,909 --> 00:32:33,760
uh turned around and raced back up to

813
00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:35,919
the to the gate and got to the gate

814
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:37,760
shack which was right there and it was a

815
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:39,360
direct line to the law enforcement desk

816
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:40,559
and we called it in that we had

817
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:42,399
something strange going on in the forest

818
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:44,080
okay right outside the perimeter so let

819
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:47,360
me stop you right there for a second um

820
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:48,480
the

821
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:52,799
you have been on base for how long at

822
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:54,720
this at this year and a half year and a

823
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:55,600
half

824
00:33:01,750 --> 00:32:59,279
so were you aware of the lighthouse

825
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:01,760
okay that's what i've always said

826
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:03,120
we knew there was a lighthouse out there

827
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:04,799
we were near the coast

828
00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:06,080
um

829
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:08,799
you could not see the lighthouse

830
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:11,519
from the east gate so and and so i want

831
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:13,360
to be clear here

832
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:14,559
you know

833
00:33:19,909 --> 00:33:16,640
you you have the forest in one direction

834
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:19,919
the lighthouse is slightly in the other

835
00:33:22,630 --> 00:33:21,120
direction but you know where the

836
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:22,640
lighthouse is

837
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:25,360
and so you knew at that point you

838
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:27,360
weren't confusing

839
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:29,679
anything you saw something in the woods

840
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:31,519
you didn't see it descend

841
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:33,440
right but he did he sought to send him

842
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:35,039
no he's not descending

843
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:37,679
yes he saw it yeah he he saw something

844
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:40,000
coming down into the forest and that's

845
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:41,840
as he saw it he got my attention and

846
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:43,600
then you could see it i could see it in

847
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:45,519
the force once he got my attention yeah

848
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:48,000
and so i want the point to be clear here

849
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:51,200
and for me included at no point and this

850
00:33:56,710 --> 00:33:54,640
was uh was this con sag

851
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:56,720
was this what uh who was this that was

852
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:57,679
with you

853
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:59,440
oh that was sergeant stefan oh that was

854
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:00,960
stefan okay so

855
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:03,360
um you never said to stefan hey you know

856
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:05,360
what that's that could be the lighthouse

857
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:06,960
no because because that's what i'm

858
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:08,720
saying you could not see the lighthouse

859
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:11,040
from this gate there was whatever we

860
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:12,159
were seeing

861
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:14,240
in the forest and what i was looking at

862
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:16,320
was something i had never seen the

863
00:34:18,869 --> 00:34:18,079
entire time i had ever been stationed

864
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:18,879
there

865
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:21,280
both you know at night you know and i've

866
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:22,960
been on the gate numerous times at night

867
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:24,960
for different things and that was

868
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:27,359
nothing that was ever seen there prior

869
00:34:31,829 --> 00:34:30,079
to what we were looking at at that point

870
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:31,839
so if i had been on the gate before and

871
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:33,119
the lighthouse could be seen from there

872
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:34,879
which it couldn't have been i would have

873
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:36,879
known yes it was the lighthouse now

874
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:39,119
could you at this point and this is

875
00:34:43,270 --> 00:34:41,919
again before you went and called it in

876
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:43,280
um

877
00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:45,280
you're looking into a dark forest at

878
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:48,079
night could you see

879
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:50,399
forest beyond the lights in other words

880
00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:52,240
could you kind of triangulate your own

881
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:54,320
mind's eye that this is inside of the

882
00:34:58,710 --> 00:34:56,879
forest and not on the back side or

883
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:58,720
or closer to the ocean

884
00:35:04,069 --> 00:35:00,880
you know were you able to do that

885
00:35:05,750 --> 00:35:04,079
um not really it because initially when

886
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:05,760
we got down there

887
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:07,760
it was like the light was kind of

888
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:09,680
farther back you know you could see it

889
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,599
deeper into the forest right

890
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:13,440
but as we got down to the end of the

891
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:15,200
road and made the u-turn i jumped out it

892
00:35:17,829 --> 00:35:16,560
looked like the light started coming

893
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:17,839
towards us

894
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:20,079
okay so now you go and you call it in

895
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:22,560
now right this is the thing

896
00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:23,920
i don't know i don't know if anybody

897
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:25,839
wants to make this call right you don't

898
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:27,520
want to be the guy that's going to say

899
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:30,000
hey you know a ufo just landed in the

900
00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:31,680
forest

901
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:34,079
and we're outside of the gate

902
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:37,760
but you did uh so when you reported it

903
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:39,839
what did you say

904
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:42,720
well we call i called it in

905
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:45,599
um and just said crash uh it was okay

906
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:47,839
i'll set the stage okay it was christmas

907
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:50,160
night it was the end of a long shift you

908
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:52,640
know six day cycle which is it's a

909
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:54,960
swearing you're tired by that last night

910
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:56,560
and you know you know people are away

911
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:58,400
from home they were it was a little bit

912
00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:00,480
more of relaxed attitude that night than

913
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:02,720
normal though one of the frequencies we

914
00:36:06,069 --> 00:36:04,079
had three they were playing some

915
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:06,079
christmas music and taking requests and

916
00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:08,240
playing music on one of the frequencies

917
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:10,640
uh the main other two main nets were you

918
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:13,920
know normal and so i called in the fact

919
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:15,839
that something strange was going on

920
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:17,359
outside

921
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:21,280
forest well the guy the death sergeant

922
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:22,880
and i had a history of i played

923
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:25,520
practical jokes on him so i didn't say

924
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:27,359
it was the alien ufo or anything i just

925
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:29,359
said crash something weird is going on

926
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:31,440
uh you know i explained what stefan saw

927
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:34,160
something came down into the forest um

928
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:35,599
there's something in the forest it's

929
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:37,680
still there you know i tried to describe

930
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:39,359
what we were seeing and he didn't

931
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:40,720
believe me he thought i was yanking his

932
00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:42,160
chain he thought i was playing a

933
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:44,320
practical joke christmas night and he

934
00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:45,520
just was kind of like yeah right

935
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:47,119
whatever i said seriously here here's

936
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:49,920
stefan's stephens was new and you know

937
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:51,839
he barely knew him too but stefan's

938
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:53,200
tried to explain to him you just

939
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:55,119
wouldn't believe us so he transferred us

940
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:56,640
to csc

941
00:37:01,270 --> 00:36:58,560
and that's when we got you know the

942
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:01,280
comptroller and you know and this is the

943
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:02,880
guy that ran csc

944
00:37:05,910 --> 00:37:04,720
and we started to re-explain what was

945
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:05,920
going on

946
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:06,800
so

947
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:08,800
at that point that's when things got

948
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:11,359
strange in our minds because

949
00:37:14,710 --> 00:37:12,880
we just said look

950
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:14,720
stefan says he saw something coming down

951
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:16,400
into the forest it was there something

952
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:18,960
was there we don't know what it is

953
00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:21,280
and um what do you want to do about it

954
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:23,359
we were just reporting it in and that's

955
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:24,640
when they called for the security

956
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:26,400
supervisor to come down

957
00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:28,720
and we'll always it's always the cringe

958
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:31,040
moment where we're sitting there

959
00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:33,440
it's quiet nothing's going on on either

960
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:36,160
base everybody's just kind of nestled in

961
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:38,400
to get the night over and then across

962
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:40,079
the radio comes out

963
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:42,400
security control to i forget the call

964
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:44,640
sign of the patrol respond down to the

965
00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:46,480
eastgate code two

966
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:48,560
uh police four and five reporting the

967
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:50,720
ufo

968
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:53,760
bam and then we were just like oh

969
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:55,599
god now

970
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:58,000
right right right and we've got about uh

971
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:59,760
two minutes to the break

972
00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:00,720
so

973
00:38:04,870 --> 00:38:03,599
i have to ask you and and i've wanted to

974
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:04,880
ask you this

975
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:06,560
many times before

976
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:08,640
do you think that there was

977
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:10,160
uh

978
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:12,320
any possibility of something that was

979
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:13,920
caught on radar

980
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:17,359
that this first report of ufo because it

981
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:20,079
hadn't been mentioned yet that possibly

982
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:23,040
they knew that something was uh seen uh

983
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:24,720
descending look we're talking about a

984
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:26,400
nuclear installation we're talking you

985
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:28,880
know the largest fighter wing a very

986
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:30,880
important nato base and probably the

987
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:33,760
most important nato base

988
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:36,160
right well that's the whole point see um

989
00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:38,480
we can come back to the whole story but

990
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:41,119
ultimately when soup showed up sergeant

991
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:43,440
peniston and he saw the same thing we

992
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:44,880
were seeing and he got on the phone and

993
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:46,800
started talking to csc they started

994
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:48,160
making phone calls to radar

995
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:50,800
installations eastern um our radar and

996
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:53,520
everything else and the reason why we

997
00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:55,200
were even allowed because this was off

998
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:56,800
base now this wasn't on base and it

999
00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:58,640
wasn't right on our fence line the

1000
00:39:02,069 --> 00:39:00,079
reason why we were allowed to go out

1001
00:39:04,069 --> 00:39:02,079
there is because radar confirmed an

1002
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:04,079
object in that area that disappeared on

1003
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:05,040
radar

1004
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:07,040
and because it was in the forest

1005
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:08,400
the shift commander was under the

1006
00:39:12,630 --> 00:39:10,320
impression maybe something crashed into

1007
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:12,640
for us and because of the fact that we

1008
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:13,920
were it was close enough to the base

1009
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:15,599
that we could go out and investigate and

1010
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:17,119
at the same time they did contact the

1011
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:19,520
bernie's police department you know and

1012
00:39:23,589 --> 00:39:21,680
the british fire department also so

1013
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:23,599
that's the only reason why we left base

1014
00:39:27,829 --> 00:39:25,040
in the first place is because of the

1015
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:27,839
radar something disappeared on radar now

1016
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:30,000
uh we're gonna head towards a break um

1017
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:32,480
so it's peniston that shows up next

1018
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:36,000
right okay now at that point from your

1019
00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:38,640
position were you still observing the

1020
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:40,400
lights in the forest yeah they were

1021
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:41,760
there were there they were there the

1022
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:43,440
whole time when all the phone calls were

1023
00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:45,760
going on the decision-making was taking

1024
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:47,359
place it was still there in the forest

1025
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:49,680
yeah and what i'm trying to understand

1026
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:51,599
here is while you were calling it in you

1027
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:53,680
could still observe the lights peniston

1028
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:54,560
now

1029
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:56,560
shows up you guys are still on location

1030
00:40:01,829 --> 00:39:58,640
you're still observing the lights he's

1031
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:01,839
saying the same things that you are did

1032
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:04,160
anything change from the first moment

1033
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:06,960
that you saw the lights to when peniston

1034
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:08,560
arrived did they move did they get

1035
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:10,720
closer did anything when we got down to

1036
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:12,240
the road they started to come a little

1037
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:14,640
bit closer towards the main road where

1038
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:16,400
we were at but at that point they kind

1039
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:18,560
of just it just stayed in that general

1040
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:21,200
vicinity you know what i mean there was

1041
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:22,720
you know there was different coloring

1042
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:25,520
lights in it and it never really it

1043
00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:27,839
never showed itself we never could make

1044
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:29,839
a clear identification on what it was at

1045
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:30,800
that point

1046
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:32,640
or at any time until we finally got

1047
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:34,400
close to it in the forest now there's

1048
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:36,480
electricity in the air we've got 45

1049
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:38,640
seconds john there's electricity in the

1050
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:41,440
air at what point did you start to get

1051
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:48,310
when we got up close to it okay okay so

1052
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:49,839
you're still

1053
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:54,000
yourself at this point and so is

1054
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:57,200
peniston well for me personally i was

1055
00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:00,160
intrigued by what is going on you know i

1056
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:02,160
there was something that like changed me

1057
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:04,640
a little bit it went from

1058
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:06,960
i wasn't scared at that point i just

1059
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:08,800
wanted to know what it was because it

1060
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:11,119
just didn't make any sense what we were

1061
00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:13,280
seeing or what was going on and i really

1062
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:14,960
wanted to get out there to try to figure

1063
00:41:18,550 --> 00:41:16,720
out what it was all right let's take our

1064
00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:18,560
break right here this is fade to black

1065
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:21,119
tonight john burroughs is here and we're

1066
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:24,560
going to try to put a fork in rendleshem

1067
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:26,560
john are you down for this

1068
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:29,520
oh let's go for it let's do it spade to

1069
00:41:33,910 --> 00:41:31,040
black on the game changer network and

1070
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:33,920
kgra the planet our guest john burroughs

1071
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:35,280
we'll be right back after this short

1072
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:50,150
[Music]

1073
00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:52,730
[Applause]

1074
00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:58,800
[Music]

1075
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:01,040
this is fade to black with jimmy church

1076
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:03,599
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1077
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:08,319
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welcome back fade to black i'm yours to

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here very interesting where you guys are

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going in this direction and i like what

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you guys are doing hashtag f2bq post

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your questions right there

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and our guest tonight is john burroughs

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and i've i've called this show the last

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word on randall shim i doubt that there

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will ever be a last word and john our

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last show that we did a year ago i

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thought you know it was an excellent

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show i think that you know we just got

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everything out and that would be it you

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know if it's like a reference book it's

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reference material for everybody if

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you've got any questions go listen to

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that show

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and i think john presented it uh fair

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and balanced and it was an excellent

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show and here we are a year later uh

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talking about it again and we've got so

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many different things that are breaking

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right now on rendal shim now what i

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00:48:23,349 --> 00:48:21,599
wanted to ask you was this

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00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:23,359
uh the electricity in the air that you

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were describing i i can imagine almost

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like you're at a rock concert and it's

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the anticipation of

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you know the band hitting the stage you

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know it's it's this thing you know that

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it that is there

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were

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00:48:44,069 --> 00:48:42,000
thought that there was a possibility

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00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:44,079
that this was a downed aircraft you've

1231
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:47,280
got ufo now being mentioned on the

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00:48:50,309 --> 00:48:48,480
radios

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00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:50,319
did that change the dynamic of

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everything was the excitement level

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00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:54,880
starting to go up a little bit as the

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band was about to hit the stage

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well i mean each you know i can't speak

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for peniston or cabansack but for me i

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just wha what what is it what what what

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00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:07,440
are we what are we going to find out

1241
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:10,640
there um the uh aircraft coming down was

1242
00:49:14,829 --> 00:49:12,720
just the theory they used you know that

1243
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:14,839
well you had radar contact something

1244
00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:17,520
disappeared uh you can see something in

1245
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:20,319
the forest so we're gonna go see

1246
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:23,920
but the ufo thing is you know ufos

1247
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:26,160
the terminology always immediately is it

1248
00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:28,240
alien or whatever just really what ufo

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00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:30,160
is unidentified flying object you just

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00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:31,920
don't want that labeled because people

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immediately think there's something more

1252
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:34,640
to it but

1253
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:36,400
no it was just like let's go see you

1254
00:49:40,150 --> 00:49:38,160
know and we all jumped in the truck and

1255
00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:40,160
we took off down towards the you know

1256
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the forest into the forest where we were

1257
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:45,119
seeing the lights who was in the truck

1258
00:49:50,230 --> 00:49:47,839
it was peniston is it was a guy his

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00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:50,240
first night ever working first you know

1260
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:52,000
he just came in the air force first base

1261
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:54,000
first night working airman cabansack and

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myself

1263
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so it's the three of you

1264
00:50:02,309 --> 00:50:00,480
um are you armed

1265
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:02,319
well there's been there's been a lot of

1266
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:05,119
discrepancies over the years and

1267
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:08,079
kapansak has stated in interviews that

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we were i was that i was armed now

1269
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:13,839
one of the things that i remember both

1270
00:50:17,829 --> 00:50:16,400
in my hypnosis and

1271
00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:17,839
actually when we were getting close to

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it peniston did yell at me

1273
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because he was in front of me to you

1274
00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:25,280
know pull pull out my revolver and you

1275
00:50:29,589 --> 00:50:27,760
know open up on it he was closest to it

1276
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:29,599
the three of us i was in the middle we

1277
00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:32,240
were like in a line stagger formation

1278
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and kaban sex said that i drew my weapon

1279
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and then we all blacked out okay

1280
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:38,640
we'll get to that i don't want to get

1281
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:42,000
ahead of our skis here um but so at this

1282
00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:45,200
point you don't remember if the three of

1283
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you

1284
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were armed and the reason i remember

1285
00:50:52,710 --> 00:50:50,880
if you're on the weapon over to stefan's

1286
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:52,720
that's right i don't believe i was armed

1287
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:54,720
okay because if you're off base if

1288
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:56,880
you're on the other side of the fence

1289
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:59,280
are you allowed to have carry sidearms

1290
00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:00,400
well

1291
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:02,319
that was status force agreement we could

1292
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:05,599
go between bases with our weapons but if

1293
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:07,440
we went off base

1294
00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:10,240
it had to be an immediate threat to go

1295
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:12,160
off base in the first place and to be

1296
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:14,160
armed and maybe have any kind of

1297
00:51:17,829 --> 00:51:15,280
engagement

1298
00:51:19,030 --> 00:51:17,839
so we that didn't fit the criteria so

1299
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:19,040
that's why

1300
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:21,280
what i remember was i know they didn't

1301
00:51:26,069 --> 00:51:23,760
take their 16s with them and i remember

1302
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:26,079
i thought i'd turn my 38 over to

1303
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:29,440
stefan's too but kabansak and peniston

1304
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:31,760
both believe i was armed so

1305
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:33,280
there's a discrepancy right there from

1306
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:35,520
the beginning okay so you guys are

1307
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:38,640
tooling up the road you stop you get out

1308
00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:40,319
what happens next

1309
00:51:44,950 --> 00:51:42,400
well we went down the road we went into

1310
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:44,960
the forest down to service track road

1311
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:46,960
and we went as far as we could before we

1312
00:51:51,190 --> 00:51:48,480
couldn't go any farther in the vehicle

1313
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:51,200
with the terrain and we jumped out of

1314
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:56,880
the vehicle and it now this is like in

1315
00:52:02,069 --> 00:52:00,079
ed's never said a lot he did one major

1316
00:52:03,030 --> 00:52:02,079
interview with james fox

1317
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:03,040
but

1318
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:06,240
there's a lot of memory issues

1319
00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:09,359
on certain things from myself from both

1320
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:12,400
nights but what what i remember is this

1321
00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:14,000
we got out of the vehicle

1322
00:52:17,990 --> 00:52:16,079
the uh we we were going into the forest

1323
00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:18,000
here it was definitely back farther in

1324
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:20,000
the forest now you know what i mean in

1325
00:52:23,190 --> 00:52:21,119
other words

1326
00:52:25,349 --> 00:52:23,200
whatever the main thing was that we

1327
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:25,359
eventually got to was deeper in the

1328
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:27,440
forest but there was still a white light

1329
00:52:31,829 --> 00:52:30,160
in the forest but we were tracking

1330
00:52:34,150 --> 00:52:31,839
where the light the source of the light

1331
00:52:36,549 --> 00:52:34,160
was as we were going into the force in

1332
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:36,559
the vehicle then we got out of the

1333
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:38,960
vehicle and started to go in on foot

1334
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:41,760
like in a line stagger formation towards

1335
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:44,160
the area where we we thought the object

1336
00:52:47,589 --> 00:52:46,400
or i call it object because what else

1337
00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:47,599
can you call it

1338
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:49,520
it ended up being what looked like

1339
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:51,040
lights to me but

1340
00:52:53,910 --> 00:52:52,319
you know we were heading towards where

1341
00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:53,920
the lights were

1342
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:56,319
any guesstimate at this point uh how far

1343
00:52:59,430 --> 00:52:57,839
you thought you were going to walk i you

1344
00:53:01,109 --> 00:52:59,440
know fours are deceiving especially at

1345
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:01,119
night and in the dark but

1346
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:03,200
what were you thinking you were about

1347
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:05,040
how far you were about to walk

1348
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:07,040
everything changed i mean normally if

1349
00:53:09,190 --> 00:53:07,920
you're

1350
00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:09,200
like

1351
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:10,720
you know on a football field or a

1352
00:53:14,309 --> 00:53:12,720
basketball court or whatever you kind of

1353
00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:14,319
take a look at it you sum up what you're

1354
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:15,839
going to do this was like boom we're

1355
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:17,280
going we got in the truck we're seeing

1356
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:19,599
it we're talking you know as far as like

1357
00:53:23,109 --> 00:53:21,359
talking a little bit obviously what are

1358
00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:23,119
we going to do what's this like that and

1359
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:26,000
then and just focused in on it so no

1360
00:53:31,190 --> 00:53:29,119
really idea how far it was into the you

1361
00:53:33,190 --> 00:53:31,200
know into the forest once we got out or

1362
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:33,200
how far we were gonna have to go we just

1363
00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:35,680
were heading towards whatever this was

1364
00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:38,319
i i know i've asked you this before but

1365
00:53:44,069 --> 00:53:41,760
uh before this night had you walked

1366
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:44,079
through the the forest had you ever just

1367
00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:45,040
done a

1368
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:47,040
leisurely stroll

1369
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:50,559
no um there were two exercises one that

1370
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:52,800
i completely forgot about

1371
00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:55,119
that happened prior to our incident and

1372
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:57,200
then there was one after the incident

1373
00:54:01,109 --> 00:53:59,280
and the one prior

1374
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:01,119
and it's funny because the sas stuff

1375
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:04,000
came up we were actually involved in

1376
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:07,119
exercises with british special forces

1377
00:54:12,390 --> 00:54:09,680
and military and we were conducting

1378
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:12,400
exercises in the woods and around the

1379
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:14,720
old woodbridge wsa

1380
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:18,160
so i was in the forest prior to this

1381
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:22,319
for on for an exercise on one occasion

1382
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:24,880
it was did it help you did you have any

1383
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:27,040
idea where you were walking to i you

1384
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:30,240
know that no no not at all um no not at

1385
00:54:35,349 --> 00:54:33,280
all okay so you guys are walking towards

1386
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:35,359
this house we were really walking we

1387
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:36,880
were moving

1388
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:39,359
at a high rate of speed and when you got

1389
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:41,280
into the thick forest there you had to

1390
00:54:47,430 --> 00:54:44,480
slow down but you would still be like uh

1391
00:54:49,109 --> 00:54:47,440
at the least the fast walk or you know

1392
00:54:51,510 --> 00:54:49,119
as much as you could go

1393
00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:51,520
so we were moving pretty good okay okay

1394
00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:54,000
so you're on a good clip um

1395
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:56,960
what's the conversation

1396
00:55:01,589 --> 00:54:59,920
it well there wasn't a lot once we got

1397
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:01,599
out and started going towards it other

1398
00:55:05,910 --> 00:55:03,599
than just like there it is or

1399
00:55:07,349 --> 00:55:05,920
over there or you know it was just kind

1400
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:07,359
of a quick boom

1401
00:55:11,109 --> 00:55:09,680
and and then peniston had the radio and

1402
00:55:13,349 --> 00:55:11,119
was trying to

1403
00:55:16,390 --> 00:55:13,359
you know convey what was going on

1404
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:16,400
with csc as we were moving towards it um

1405
00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:18,480
if you read buran's statement in i

1406
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:20,240
believe chandler's two he mentions it

1407
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:22,400
but i know at least one of them at one

1408
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:23,280
point

1409
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:25,440
we uh we seemed to get we thought we

1410
00:55:28,470 --> 00:55:27,520
were up on it and then it was behind us

1411
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:28,480
that's

1412
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:30,640
what the statement said they said when

1413
00:55:34,950 --> 00:55:32,720
we were calling in on the radio

1414
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:34,960
but there it wasn't a lot of talking

1415
00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:37,119
going on it was just moving towards it

1416
00:55:41,910 --> 00:55:38,720
as quickly as possible so we could

1417
00:55:43,589 --> 00:55:41,920
identify what it was and penis didn't

1418
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:43,599
had the radio is that because he was the

1419
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:46,559
sergeant yeah he was in charge okay you

1420
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:48,480
didn't have a radio

1421
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:50,640
i don't believe i did i might have i

1422
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:52,400
think you know it's hard to remember for

1423
00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:54,640
sure i may have had my radio with me too

1424
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:57,280
i think maybe all three of us did but

1425
00:56:02,549 --> 00:55:59,280
if we did he would have been the one

1426
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:02,559
running being on the radio not us and do

1427
00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:03,920
you remember

1428
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:06,880
the object being behind you

1429
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:09,359
no i don't it was always in front of you

1430
00:56:14,069 --> 00:56:12,400
i always remember it was in front of us

1431
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:14,079
and and then all of a sudden we came up

1432
00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:15,359
upon it

1433
00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:19,040
okay uh what happens next

1434
00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:22,079
well we we we got to an area it was like

1435
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:24,240
like berms are kind of hilly

1436
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:26,480
and it was like

1437
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:29,280
as you kind of went up the hill

1438
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:31,520
it was the the light was in front and as

1439
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:34,720
we came up to the top of the berm

1440
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:37,599
there whatever it was was and we went

1441
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:39,440
down the berm and it was right in front

1442
00:56:42,390 --> 00:56:40,480
of us

1443
00:56:43,750 --> 00:56:42,400
um it was like everything got really

1444
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:43,760
bright

1445
00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:45,760
we all hit the ground

1446
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:47,200
and then

1447
00:56:52,069 --> 00:56:49,680
what i remember was it dimmed for

1448
00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:52,079
briefly and it got really bright again

1449
00:56:56,549 --> 00:56:54,160
and was gone backed up and went out you

1450
00:56:58,470 --> 00:56:56,559
know towards the coast

1451
00:57:00,309 --> 00:56:58,480
okay this is uh this is a pretty serious

1452
00:57:03,270 --> 00:57:00,319
moment here i mean

1453
00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:03,280
it's it's it's just about as serious as

1454
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:04,480
it gets

1455
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:07,760
and let's uh let's break this down so i

1456
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:10,079
know you guys are all like you said you

1457
00:57:15,910 --> 00:57:12,720
guys are now on the ground and this

1458
00:57:17,589 --> 00:57:15,920
object is in front of you uh were you

1459
00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:17,599
uh i want to know exactly what you saw

1460
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:19,359
were you averting your eyes or did you

1461
00:57:23,750 --> 00:57:22,160
have an opportunity to just just take it

1462
00:57:25,990 --> 00:57:23,760
all in

1463
00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:26,000
well it was really bright so it was

1464
00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:28,880
really hard to see anything and when it

1465
00:57:31,829 --> 00:57:30,160
dim down

1466
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:31,839
okay and this is where the memory issue

1467
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:34,720
comes in i drew i i wrote about the

1468
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:36,240
first night i didn't write about the

1469
00:57:40,789 --> 00:57:38,400
third night the statement they didn't

1470
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:40,799
really want me to say much about the

1471
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:42,079
third night

1472
00:57:45,109 --> 00:57:44,240
in my statement but they had me write a

1473
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:45,119
brief

1474
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:47,520
summary of what happened on the first

1475
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:50,880
night and then i drew as best i could

1476
00:57:55,349 --> 00:57:54,400
and what what i drew and what i

1477
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:55,359
you know

1478
00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:57,040
the best i could describe it was like an

1479
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:59,200
oval orangish ball

1480
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:01,200
with blue lights around it and there was

1481
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:04,079
a whitish or orangish hue

1482
00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:06,640
that was around the orange ball and

1483
00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:09,119
that's the best that i can you know that

1484
00:58:12,870 --> 00:58:10,480
i saw

1485
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:12,880
for sure on the first night and it was

1486
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:15,520
basically quite about the same on what i

1487
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:18,000
remember seeing on the third night other

1488
00:58:23,349 --> 00:58:21,280
than this there was a bigger dome or a

1489
00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:23,359
hue on the third night than there was on

1490
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:24,880
the first night

1491
00:58:28,230 --> 00:58:25,680
now

1492
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:28,240
when uh

1493
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:30,240
was there a conversation

1494
00:58:36,230 --> 00:58:33,520
between you and and cap and sag and

1495
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:36,240
and peniston

1496
00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:38,640
when it happened yeah when you guys

1497
00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:40,480
hit the ground just hit the ground

1498
00:58:44,950 --> 00:58:42,160
that's what i remember

1499
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:44,960
and then and then it went disappeared it

1500
00:58:48,549 --> 00:58:47,119
went up and you know was gone or back

1501
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:48,559
towards the coast headed towards the

1502
00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:50,960
coast and then we got back up and we

1503
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:53,440
went out into

1504
00:58:57,030 --> 00:58:55,599
across the fence line from the forest

1505
00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:57,040
into the farmer's field and started

1506
00:59:01,030 --> 00:58:58,880
heading out towards the coast towards

1507
00:59:02,309 --> 00:59:01,040
you know the direction it went and we

1508
00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:02,319
did see

1509
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:05,440
down towards the the cottages and stuff

1510
00:59:09,910 --> 00:59:07,920
we saw something down there briefly

1511
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:09,920
and then we went down to there and then

1512
00:59:14,230 --> 00:59:12,000
we went farther out went to another

1513
00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:14,240
field and went farther out

1514
00:59:16,710 --> 00:59:15,680
so

1515
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:16,720
when

1516
00:59:22,150 --> 00:59:19,520
and and i want you to just just

1517
00:59:24,470 --> 00:59:22,160
get into the zone with me right here um

1518
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:24,480
when you say that

1519
00:59:27,990 --> 00:59:26,720
it it took off

1520
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:28,000
did you

1521
00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:31,440
see

1522
00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:33,359
anything that would

1523
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:36,079
uh take you off planet in your mind's

1524
00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:37,680
eye you know

1525
00:59:41,589 --> 00:59:39,599
no there was no there was no like a

1526
00:59:42,549 --> 00:59:41,599
craft to me there was no you know it

1527
00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:42,559
wasn't

1528
00:59:48,630 --> 00:59:46,480
just been like maybe the oval orange is

1529
00:59:51,829 --> 00:59:48,640
light itself it just seemed like you

1530
00:59:53,190 --> 00:59:51,839
know the white light bright dim bright

1531
00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:53,200
up and

1532
00:59:58,630 --> 00:59:56,240
and so whatever the contraption was or

1533
01:00:00,069 --> 00:59:58,640
whatever it was within the white light

1534
01:00:02,710 --> 01:00:00,079
and the dome or whatever you want to

1535
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:02,720
call it it just seemed to go up and then

1536
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:04,400
shoot out

1537
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:06,960
you know away from us so the

1538
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:11,200
triangular angular aspect of uh

1539
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:14,079
rendleshim was not revealed on night one

1540
01:00:17,990 --> 01:00:15,760
that you can remember

1541
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:18,000
no there was no discussion of that ever

1542
01:00:22,470 --> 01:00:20,400
i mean the triangular stuff never came

1543
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:22,480
up at all that i remember

1544
01:00:25,109 --> 01:00:23,440
nor

1545
01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:25,119
did um

1546
01:00:28,789 --> 01:00:26,640
because pedestal has a completely

1547
01:00:32,230 --> 01:00:28,799
different account of what took place yes

1548
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:32,240
and and at that point we we never

1549
01:00:36,069 --> 01:00:35,040
we never discussed that or do i remember

1550
01:00:37,589 --> 01:00:36,079
ever

1551
01:00:39,190 --> 01:00:37,599
you know going over that with him the

1552
01:00:41,589 --> 01:00:39,200
whole time and

1553
01:00:44,789 --> 01:00:41,599
you know his statement that was released

1554
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:44,799
is it doesn't say anything about it um

1555
01:00:49,910 --> 01:00:47,760
and it wasn't until the 90s when

1556
01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:49,920
he started getting into the triangular

1557
01:00:55,030 --> 01:00:52,240
part the glyphs and everything else and

1558
01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:55,040
the notebook and you know going forward

1559
01:00:59,270 --> 01:00:57,119
he expanded everything that he

1560
01:01:01,190 --> 01:00:59,280
remembered or he said happened to him

1561
01:01:02,150 --> 01:01:01,200
you know going forward but it was much

1562
01:01:04,630 --> 01:01:02,160
later

1563
01:01:06,309 --> 01:01:04,640
than what went on what we what i

1564
01:01:08,630 --> 01:01:06,319
remember you i'm talking about and what

1565
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:08,640
took place at the time were you guys

1566
01:01:18,150 --> 01:01:15,270
you mean keeping track of the time yep

1567
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:18,160
we didn't totally really until the end

1568
01:01:22,470 --> 01:01:20,880
when we got back and our watches were 45

1569
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:22,480
minutes behind

1570
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:24,400
what the real time was

1571
01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:26,640
with uh everybody else like stefan's and

1572
01:01:31,109 --> 01:01:28,160
everybody that was yeah well it was like

1573
01:01:33,430 --> 01:01:31,119
what time is it and you know and

1574
01:01:34,950 --> 01:01:33,440
you know they said well this time and

1575
01:01:35,750 --> 01:01:34,960
then we looked at our watches and it was

1576
01:01:40,470 --> 01:01:35,760
like

1577
01:01:42,789 --> 01:01:40,480
behind you know it's because it was kind

1578
01:01:45,190 --> 01:01:42,799
of like it seemed like it was later than

1579
01:01:47,349 --> 01:01:45,200
it was and we just wanted to confirm and

1580
01:01:49,750 --> 01:01:47,359
there was a 45-minute difference so what

1581
01:01:50,549 --> 01:01:49,760
you are suggesting here

1582
01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:50,559
uh

1583
01:01:53,349 --> 01:01:51,599
you know i know that you've had

1584
01:01:57,349 --> 01:01:53,359
regression therapy and stuff but at this

1585
01:02:00,789 --> 01:01:57,359
point were you guys feeling like uh

1586
01:02:06,230 --> 01:02:03,349
not really i mean we didn't it was it's

1587
01:02:07,990 --> 01:02:06,240
hard to explain to people that at that

1588
01:02:10,630 --> 01:02:08,000
time frame in life it's a lot different

1589
01:02:12,789 --> 01:02:10,640
than today with social media

1590
01:02:14,950 --> 01:02:12,799
you know all the stuff has taken place

1591
01:02:17,829 --> 01:02:14,960
first of all ufos was a taboo you didn't

1592
01:02:20,950 --> 01:02:17,839
want to be exposed to you know second of

1593
01:02:23,109 --> 01:02:20,960
all the technology that we saw or

1594
01:02:24,390 --> 01:02:23,119
whatever we saw took place in our minds

1595
01:02:27,270 --> 01:02:24,400
it was hard to

1596
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:27,280
to say well there's nothing that i know

1597
01:02:32,069 --> 01:02:29,280
about in the military ever seen

1598
01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:32,079
or anything so we were just trying to

1599
01:02:36,390 --> 01:02:33,760
what i remember was correlate and

1600
01:02:40,470 --> 01:02:38,789
what how could we figure out what how

1601
01:02:41,670 --> 01:02:40,480
are we going to explain this

1602
01:02:44,150 --> 01:02:41,680
and what

1603
01:02:46,710 --> 01:02:44,160
are we going to report exactly so when

1604
01:02:49,510 --> 01:02:46,720
you guys get up off of the ground this

1605
01:02:50,390 --> 01:02:49,520
light now has ascended

1606
01:02:52,470 --> 01:02:50,400
um

1607
01:02:54,470 --> 01:02:52,480
and and takes off

1608
01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:54,480
what did you guys say to each other i

1609
01:02:57,510 --> 01:02:55,200
did

1610
01:02:59,270 --> 01:02:57,520
obviously you had a conversation well

1611
01:03:01,190 --> 01:02:59,280
that's where the whole discrepancy start

1612
01:03:02,390 --> 01:03:01,200
besides the fact that you know he said

1613
01:03:05,829 --> 01:03:02,400
over the years different things took

1614
01:03:08,390 --> 01:03:05,839
place prior to it leaving but he makes a

1615
01:03:10,630 --> 01:03:08,400
sound you're talking about peniston yeah

1616
01:03:12,870 --> 01:03:10,640
before we got close to it kabansek

1617
01:03:14,390 --> 01:03:12,880
wasn't even with us and he was and i've

1618
01:03:16,950 --> 01:03:14,400
talked to ed

1619
01:03:19,589 --> 01:03:16,960
about that he was with us the whole time

1620
01:03:21,750 --> 01:03:19,599
we all went forward even further

1621
01:03:24,150 --> 01:03:21,760
and if you look at command sec's

1622
01:03:25,670 --> 01:03:24,160
statement he even says we did you know

1623
01:03:27,990 --> 01:03:25,680
we got close to it

1624
01:03:30,390 --> 01:03:28,000
and then we went out and went towards

1625
01:03:32,470 --> 01:03:30,400
the coast towards it but peniston sticks

1626
01:03:33,349 --> 01:03:32,480
to the story that ed never was with us

1627
01:03:35,430 --> 01:03:33,359
from

1628
01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:35,440
he left him right at the vehicle which

1629
01:03:38,789 --> 01:03:36,960
isn't what happened

1630
01:03:41,029 --> 01:03:38,799
and then penis's story's different about

1631
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:41,039
what happened when we got close to it

1632
01:03:45,589 --> 01:03:43,680
and then he does then go back to kind of

1633
01:03:46,390 --> 01:03:45,599
saying that him and i went further out

1634
01:03:48,069 --> 01:03:46,400
but

1635
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:48,079
ed wasn't with us

1636
01:03:50,789 --> 01:03:48,960
so

1637
01:03:53,829 --> 01:03:50,799
but what i remember was when it went

1638
01:03:55,750 --> 01:03:53,839
away towards towards out towards you

1639
01:03:57,829 --> 01:03:55,760
know the coast we got up and started

1640
01:04:00,549 --> 01:03:57,839
going towards it you know and we just

1641
01:04:02,069 --> 01:04:00,559
kept trying to get cl figure out what it

1642
01:04:03,910 --> 01:04:02,079
was or

1643
01:04:06,630 --> 01:04:03,920
even how could something do that how

1644
01:04:09,029 --> 01:04:06,640
could it be in the trees move kind of

1645
01:04:12,150 --> 01:04:09,039
into trees then go up

1646
01:04:14,549 --> 01:04:12,160
and leave and well what what what you

1647
01:04:18,789 --> 01:04:14,559
know what i mean and it was it was it

1648
01:04:21,829 --> 01:04:18,799
was ed uh cabanzac uh that uh

1649
01:04:25,109 --> 01:04:21,839
said that you drew your sidearm on this

1650
01:04:26,950 --> 01:04:25,119
craft and at when he says

1651
01:04:28,390 --> 01:04:26,960
that this happened was this when you

1652
01:04:30,390 --> 01:04:28,400
guys were

1653
01:04:32,710 --> 01:04:30,400
laying on the ground facing when we got

1654
01:04:35,029 --> 01:04:32,720
up close to yeah he says in a fox

1655
01:04:37,589 --> 01:04:35,039
interview and it was a documentary day i

1656
01:04:39,910 --> 01:04:37,599
believe was called i know what i saw

1657
01:04:42,470 --> 01:04:39,920
um he said in the interview he said we

1658
01:04:44,309 --> 01:04:42,480
got close to it and then i remember

1659
01:04:46,870 --> 01:04:44,319
pennison yelling at me to oh you know

1660
01:04:49,029 --> 01:04:46,880
draw on it and then he said i did and

1661
01:04:51,190 --> 01:04:49,039
then all was just blacked out

1662
01:04:53,750 --> 01:04:51,200
that's what he remembers that all of you

1663
01:04:56,150 --> 01:04:53,760
blacked out and could we all took us out

1664
01:04:58,870 --> 01:04:56,160
it was like it knocked us out could that

1665
01:05:01,750 --> 01:04:58,880
have been that 45 minute period

1666
01:05:02,789 --> 01:05:01,760
i don't know i don't i don't know i mean

1667
01:05:05,109 --> 01:05:02,799
um

1668
01:05:05,990 --> 01:05:05,119
i remember when we got back

1669
01:05:07,670 --> 01:05:06,000
there

1670
01:05:09,190 --> 01:05:07,680
i remember some of the conversation with

1671
01:05:11,910 --> 01:05:09,200
the people that were there back where

1672
01:05:14,789 --> 01:05:11,920
our vehicle was and up by the gate and

1673
01:05:17,750 --> 01:05:14,799
they were concerned and that they lost

1674
01:05:19,990 --> 01:05:17,760
radio contact was for over 45 minutes

1675
01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:20,000
and they wanted to know what happened so

1676
01:05:24,710 --> 01:05:22,480
i really honestly don't know

1677
01:05:27,349 --> 01:05:24,720
exactly

1678
01:05:29,829 --> 01:05:27,359
where the 45 minutes comes into play

1679
01:05:32,789 --> 01:05:29,839
overall other than they said that they

1680
01:05:36,390 --> 01:05:32,799
lost radio contact for 45 minutes now at

1681
01:05:38,950 --> 01:05:36,400
this point are you now at the holy crap

1682
01:05:40,870 --> 01:05:38,960
point of your frame of mind

1683
01:05:42,870 --> 01:05:40,880
oh from the moment we got close to it

1684
01:05:44,789 --> 01:05:42,880
and it did what it did and then went out

1685
01:05:46,470 --> 01:05:44,799
to the coast then yeah i mean that's

1686
01:05:48,549 --> 01:05:46,480
when everything changed i mean it was

1687
01:05:50,870 --> 01:05:48,559
like well wait a minute it's not an

1688
01:05:53,430 --> 01:05:50,880
aircraft and well

1689
01:05:55,190 --> 01:05:53,440
no not as far as i know and i was young

1690
01:05:58,230 --> 01:05:55,200
in the air force pests had been around

1691
01:05:59,910 --> 01:05:58,240
longer but was like well

1692
01:06:01,589 --> 01:05:59,920
there's nothing that i know that can do

1693
01:06:06,150 --> 01:06:01,599
this and

1694
01:06:07,910 --> 01:06:06,160
what where where did it just go and

1695
01:06:09,829 --> 01:06:07,920
what's going on and

1696
01:06:12,630 --> 01:06:09,839
and you know let's see if we can get a

1697
01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:12,640
better idea and then when we finally

1698
01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:14,480
couldn't and we came back how are we

1699
01:06:18,549 --> 01:06:16,160
going to explain this

1700
01:06:21,270 --> 01:06:18,559
you know it's kind of like oh [\h__\h] you

1701
01:06:24,630 --> 01:06:21,280
know i know i know i i wish i was there

1702
01:06:25,750 --> 01:06:24,640
so uh so bad okay so

1703
01:06:27,670 --> 01:06:25,760
now

1704
01:06:29,190 --> 01:06:27,680
back to originally when you guys were

1705
01:06:31,670 --> 01:06:29,200
outside of eastgate and you could see

1706
01:06:34,390 --> 01:06:31,680
the light in the forest

1707
01:06:37,589 --> 01:06:34,400
you leave uh stefan's behind

1708
01:06:39,750 --> 01:06:37,599
and now you guys are back uh with

1709
01:06:42,150 --> 01:06:39,760
everybody i'm sure that you know there

1710
01:06:45,910 --> 01:06:42,160
are more people there now at this point

1711
01:06:47,510 --> 01:06:45,920
did they see the light ascend what were

1712
01:06:50,390 --> 01:06:47,520
they reporting

1713
01:06:52,390 --> 01:06:50,400
well now according to pennsylvania

1714
01:06:53,190 --> 01:06:52,400
and because okay

1715
01:06:55,109 --> 01:06:53,200
when

1716
01:06:57,349 --> 01:06:55,119
what i remember

1717
01:06:58,870 --> 01:06:57,359
was i kind of we got back up we started

1718
01:07:00,789 --> 01:06:58,880
meeting up with these people and it's

1719
01:07:03,750 --> 01:07:00,799
kind of like well

1720
01:07:05,589 --> 01:07:03,760
thank god there's ncos because i was a

1721
01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:05,599
young airman and i'm not going to say

1722
01:07:09,510 --> 01:07:07,440
nothing he can

1723
01:07:10,230 --> 01:07:09,520
explain this you know what i mean right

1724
01:07:19,510 --> 01:07:10,240
he

1725
01:07:21,750 --> 01:07:19,520
because i really don't want to say much

1726
01:07:22,789 --> 01:07:21,760
and i don't know what to say or how to

1727
01:07:25,750 --> 01:07:22,799
say it

1728
01:07:41,109 --> 01:07:25,760
so there was some questioning um he

1729
01:07:44,549 --> 01:07:43,270
lighting and stuff in the sky

1730
01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:44,559
so

1731
01:07:52,230 --> 01:07:49,200
on but again most of that had to do with

1732
01:07:54,630 --> 01:07:52,240
what pennison was talking to them about

1733
01:07:56,390 --> 01:07:54,640
i didn't say much i

1734
01:07:57,510 --> 01:07:56,400
was kind of like well

1735
01:07:59,510 --> 01:07:57,520
okay

1736
01:08:01,029 --> 01:07:59,520
um i'm glad i don't have to say much

1737
01:08:03,270 --> 01:08:01,039
right now i'm glad i'm not the one

1738
01:08:05,349 --> 01:08:03,280
having to explain this right right right

1739
01:08:07,910 --> 01:08:05,359
i can only imagine uh how tense the

1740
01:08:10,390 --> 01:08:07,920
situation must have been and

1741
01:08:11,910 --> 01:08:10,400
uh you guys at this point

1742
01:08:14,230 --> 01:08:11,920
you know pack it up

1743
01:08:15,510 --> 01:08:14,240
uh and you come back oh i don't know if

1744
01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:15,520
you do well we're going to talk about

1745
01:08:19,189 --> 01:08:16,960
that in just a second but you guys

1746
01:08:21,349 --> 01:08:19,199
return a daybreak uh the united states

1747
01:08:23,829 --> 01:08:21,359
air force and go out to the site and

1748
01:08:26,149 --> 01:08:23,839
investigate right is that the timing of

1749
01:08:27,910 --> 01:08:26,159
everything well yeah we we the rest of

1750
01:08:29,590 --> 01:08:27,920
the shift it wasn't much time left we

1751
01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:29,600
ended we got relieved a little bit later

1752
01:08:33,749 --> 01:08:31,199
than normal that day anyway and we got

1753
01:08:36,470 --> 01:08:33,759
back we saw the shift commander we told

1754
01:08:38,149 --> 01:08:36,480
them what we saw or again mostly i said

1755
01:08:40,309 --> 01:08:38,159
a couple things with peniston again he

1756
01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:40,319
was in charge you know let him talk

1757
01:08:45,910 --> 01:08:43,600
about it let him explain it and um

1758
01:08:47,430 --> 01:08:45,920
so then the decision was made because we

1759
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:47,440
were going to head back home because we

1760
01:08:51,110 --> 01:08:49,440
all lived down in the same area i rode

1761
01:08:52,709 --> 01:08:51,120
back and forth to work with them we went

1762
01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:52,719
back out to the area to take a look at

1763
01:08:56,550 --> 01:08:54,560
the area and

1764
01:08:58,470 --> 01:08:56,560
when we got back out there there was

1765
01:09:01,349 --> 01:08:58,480
some marks on the ground

1766
01:09:03,910 --> 01:09:01,359
some damage to the trees some tree limbs

1767
01:09:05,590 --> 01:09:03,920
from above in the canopy that were down

1768
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:05,600
and you're kind of like looking around

1769
01:09:08,950 --> 01:09:06,400
and like

1770
01:09:11,110 --> 01:09:08,960
oh now it's daytime and

1771
01:09:12,709 --> 01:09:11,120
there's something there on top of what

1772
01:09:14,870 --> 01:09:12,719
we saw so

1773
01:09:16,630 --> 01:09:14,880
what was there and you know

1774
01:09:18,709 --> 01:09:16,640
that's kind of what took place you know

1775
01:09:20,070 --> 01:09:18,719
i was like okay

1776
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:20,080
we just went out there and there was

1777
01:09:25,110 --> 01:09:23,440
nothing there like well i don't know but

1778
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:25,120
then there was some damage and stuff

1779
01:09:29,269 --> 01:09:26,799
there that like well it looks like

1780
01:09:32,229 --> 01:09:29,279
something was there you know now would

1781
01:09:34,870 --> 01:09:32,239
you call this officially uh

1782
01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:34,880
this is still the 26th

1783
01:09:39,669 --> 01:09:36,960
yeah it would have been about i think

1784
01:09:43,110 --> 01:09:39,679
like oh 800 008 30 in the morning on the

1785
01:09:46,550 --> 01:09:43,120
26th yeah because when we get to

1786
01:09:49,349 --> 01:09:46,560
the evening that night uh which is the

1787
01:09:50,870 --> 01:09:49,359
day that's in between the 26th and the

1788
01:09:54,390 --> 01:09:50,880
28th

1789
01:09:56,229 --> 01:09:54,400
there is a lot of uh reports of things

1790
01:09:58,070 --> 01:09:56,239
also happening on the evening of the

1791
01:10:00,470 --> 01:09:58,080
27th correct

1792
01:10:02,550 --> 01:10:00,480
well yeah the night of the the 26th

1793
01:10:04,470 --> 01:10:02,560
which would have been friday night um

1794
01:10:05,910 --> 01:10:04,480
the d flight took over from swings

1795
01:10:08,790 --> 01:10:05,920
they'd work swings

1796
01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:08,800
of three days they were on mids and over

1797
01:10:14,149 --> 01:10:12,000
overnight from the 2300 on the 26th into

1798
01:10:17,590 --> 01:10:14,159
the morning the 27th there was an

1799
01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:17,600
incident took place and when i went home

1800
01:10:21,750 --> 01:10:19,840
and i was off in the middle of the night

1801
01:10:23,669 --> 01:10:21,760
i woke up over like early morning like

1802
01:10:26,070 --> 01:10:23,679
around 4 4 30. i felt like something

1803
01:10:27,430 --> 01:10:26,080
strange may have happened again so i got

1804
01:10:29,510 --> 01:10:27,440
up and went up to the base i lived

1805
01:10:31,830 --> 01:10:29,520
downtown and when i got up to the desk

1806
01:10:33,750 --> 01:10:31,840
it was before they got off and that

1807
01:10:35,110 --> 01:10:33,760
sergeant i knew him in he says you're

1808
01:10:36,950 --> 01:10:35,120
not going to believe this but something

1809
01:10:38,630 --> 01:10:36,960
happened again tonight

1810
01:10:40,950 --> 01:10:38,640
and he told me a little bit about what

1811
01:10:43,350 --> 01:10:40,960
went on and that was kind of kept quiet

1812
01:10:45,270 --> 01:10:43,360
over the years until a few years ago

1813
01:10:47,590 --> 01:10:45,280
halt did confirm that something strange

1814
01:10:49,510 --> 01:10:47,600
that happened on the second night and we

1815
01:10:52,870 --> 01:10:49,520
need to take a break right here but i

1816
01:10:55,590 --> 01:10:52,880
want a quick answer out of you um

1817
01:10:57,669 --> 01:10:55,600
why do you think that something as basic

1818
01:11:00,390 --> 01:10:57,679
as trying to remember if you were armed

1819
01:11:02,790 --> 01:11:00,400
or not or your sidearms is so difficult

1820
01:11:04,229 --> 01:11:02,800
to recall when everything else is so

1821
01:11:06,550 --> 01:11:04,239
vivid

1822
01:11:09,110 --> 01:11:06,560
why do you think that is

1823
01:11:11,110 --> 01:11:09,120
well if you go into project condy which

1824
01:11:13,030 --> 01:11:11,120
was you know a report that they did in

1825
01:11:14,229 --> 01:11:13,040
the uk and it mentioned rentals from in

1826
01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:14,239
it

1827
01:11:21,750 --> 01:11:18,880
whatever we encountered could affect how

1828
01:11:24,229 --> 01:11:21,760
we saw it and what we remember right and

1829
01:11:25,830 --> 01:11:24,239
then there's also i don't ever remember

1830
01:11:27,510 --> 01:11:25,840
being interrogated but different people

1831
01:11:29,350 --> 01:11:27,520
said they were there could have been

1832
01:11:31,350 --> 01:11:29,360
something having to do with what they

1833
01:11:33,030 --> 01:11:31,360
did to us afterwards

1834
01:11:34,950 --> 01:11:33,040
got you okay let's take a break right

1835
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:34,960
here our guest tonight john burroughs

1836
01:11:38,550 --> 01:11:36,480
we're going to do it we're going to put

1837
01:11:40,709 --> 01:11:38,560
a fork in render him tonight tonight is

1838
01:11:42,390 --> 01:11:40,719
the last word with john burroughs i'm

1839
01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:42,400
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1840
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:43,600
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you are listening to fade to black with

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hi i'm reese vance you're listening to

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jimmy church this is revolution the

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him

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welcome back to fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church

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our guest tonight is john burroughs and

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we are putting a fork

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in reynolds we're going to try to

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tomorrow night paula harris is here

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thursday night is another fader night

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friday i will be at the namm show down

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at the anaheim convention center in

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anaheim and saturday night i'll be over

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at coast-to-coast a.m and my guest will

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be carolyn ford and eric von daniken but

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tonight it's all about john burroughs

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all right john let's now okay i've got a

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lot of questions lined up here

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i've got uh

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yeah i've got a lot of stuff that we

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need to get to

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uh for the audience so before we get to

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that let's get straight to night three

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okay so officially you'd you know you

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weren't part of anything that would have

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happened on night two

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so let's let's let's move to night three

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i want your

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your perspective your eyewitness uh

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thing on all of this

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uh what what uh what how did your day

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start out did you have any crazy dreams

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by the way

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you mean during that timeframe yeah no

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no other than just i kind of woke up

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at about 4 4 30 in the morning on the

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morning of the 27th and felt like

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something happened and went up to the

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base

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which would have been saturday and found

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out something did happen so

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to you know cut to the chase on that

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after that happened i went over to the

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dorm met up with a couple guys i worked

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with you know they were on duty tonight

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our stuff and said you're not going to

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believe this when more stuff happen so

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we kind of decided that

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you know we do different things during

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the day i stayed up on the base and what

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would happen be that night after i got

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dark the three of us would just go out

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to the forest you know low-key we

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figured go out there

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park out there hang out see if we could

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figure something out and

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we got civvies

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yeah we were off duty yeah yeah okay so

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we went out we went out there and

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it already started

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they'd have more activity that night

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earlier

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around i think it started about 2100

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2020 between 2000 and 2100

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um didn't know the whole storytelling

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years a few years later exactly how it

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all went down but basically colonel hall

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was in the middle of it they had a team

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out there in the forest

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um

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i found out when we came into the gate

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when we were going to go out there that

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something was going on we got down to

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the east gate and then we eventually got

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down to a staging area and then

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eventually met up with hall and then at

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that point had a conversation with him

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and then in the distance something

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strange

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started coming down out of the sky

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into the the trees in front of us and

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that's when he let adrian bestens and i

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go forward to see what that was and how

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close to that what we were looking at

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there was to the first night of what

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happened to us okay uh i'm gonna ask you

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three questions

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uh back to back and all i want is a yes

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or no answer okay okay night 1 26 did

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you see larry warren

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no

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night two

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day two

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on the base anywhere did you see larry

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warren

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no

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day three you're out there with halt

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and vistenza is there too as well did

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you see larry warren

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no okay all right so let's move on

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um

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you uh i mentioned civvies earlier what

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i uh mean uh to the audience that he was

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wearing civilian clothes he wasn't in

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uniform uh sorry about the vernacular

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everybody but john understood what i was

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saying

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night three uh with bustinza and and you

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now you're back in uniform uh you're on

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duty

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night two i wasn't out there i just

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found out about it when i went up to the

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base in the morning night three is when

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me and a couple guys i worked with one

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out there to see if we could figure out

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you know what when it went on the first

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night and what well maybe we went on the

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second night so we were all off duty in

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civilian clothes okay

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on night three what i meant about day

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two you were off duty you were i wasn't

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even present right just got a quick

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briefing from the death sergeant that

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the shift commander went out there

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and they had some kind of incident take

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place

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she got really upset they had to relieve

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her duty

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and um

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in fact she would have been the one that

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should have been the shift commander on

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night three but she wasn't there

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lieutenant england who was the b flight

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shift commander stayed over and was the

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one that was involved with d flight on

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night three yeah that's one of the

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questions that was posted uh by our

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audience and um let me get to that since

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we're actually on it

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um

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about this woman security officer that

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was uh freaking out uh what do we know

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about that now

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well i can tell you what i was told and

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i can tell you what i've been told

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recently which is interesting um

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that

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had a blue light or something go through

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her vehicle and it shut it down um we

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know we've done interviews with uh

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a uh airman that was on duty she

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confirmed that she could hear

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uh

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the lieutenant in the lieutenant and

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master sergeant ball in the forest

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investigating whatever it was on night

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two and she seemed to be you know upset

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and kind of freaking out

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and that after this light went through

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her vehicle then it shut it off they

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actually pulled her and relieved her

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duty and halt later has now said that

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she immediately was taken away from the

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base within a couple days and you know

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was pcsed out of there so i don't

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remember seeing her much afterwards her

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name was lieutenant tamplin but i can't

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confirm that she immediately left the

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base right after the incident but

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someone else has come forward and said

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that not only did um

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she have the encounter but she actually

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may have fired a couple shots at it

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while she was out there

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has anybody reached out to her

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yeah they've tried to track her down um

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i've had some had somebody working on it

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for a while back in ten and the closest

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we got to finding her was she's

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somewhere off grid in italy

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you would think that i mean

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she probably doesn't want the notoriety

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and i can understand that that's a

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life-changing thing for anybody

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but do you think that's the reason why

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you know she's just she's fully aware

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certainly she knows that you know we're

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speaking about her right now right

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somebody out there knows her and would

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mention something to her

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right i'm sure she knows she's been

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brought up in discussion i think colonel

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hall was trying to track her down pretty

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hard too right and i don't believe he

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could ever get to her um i think we've

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got to a family member i know i we did

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ourselves personally and we reached out

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to the family member and she said she

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wasn't interested in talking about it

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and then also england is the other guy

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that's never that was out there has

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never talked about it

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um the closest was when chucka carl

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found him and tried to talk to him and

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he threw him off the base

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chuck dicaro of cnn right they got

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thrown off the base right right right

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where he was at yeah okay so

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uh let's let's get back to uh the moment

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here so it's you hulp estenza and who

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else

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well

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england i remember clearly in ball um i

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neville's was there it's on the tape but

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i don't remember neville's you know and

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i didn't know who he was at the time but

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i knew sergeant ball was i knew england

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was

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the fact

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who

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put a name to the face

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but

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so

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those were the main people that not only

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you know that i remember but are on the

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tape that halt made so those guys were

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on there there may have been one or two

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other people out there that's never been

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totally identified to this day for sure

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who they were

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when you go back i've listened to that

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tape literally a hundred times if not

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more

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like everybody else and i'm sure

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yourself included

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how accurate

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well

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that's a great question because

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halt has never been honest about

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what happened to adrian and i and

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for the longest time he denied georgina

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bruni when he worked with her that but

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estenza was involved even though

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that they tracked the senza down fawcett

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and greenwood and interviewed him and

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and warren and robins had found him and

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halt denied the vistenza was involved

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and even to bruni and bruni had the tape

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this the tape that originally was

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released was not very good and she had

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it cleaned up and that's when everything

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started coming out you could hear

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clearly names and my name's on it and

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everything so he denied that adrian was

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out there or i was out there and it's

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taken

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about 37 years to where now he said that

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bistenza never left his side which isn't

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true

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adrian was doing different things you

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can hear that on the tape and he's

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finally admitted that i did meet up with

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this party

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and that adrian and i did go forward but

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it's taken it took over 37 years for

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that to come forward

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i can't remember my conversations with

2188
01:26:14,229 --> 01:26:11,679
charles halt uh uh about that i i wish i

2189
01:26:17,270 --> 01:26:14,239
would be able to comment but i can't

2190
01:26:20,149 --> 01:26:17,280
um uh okay so now

2191
01:26:23,590 --> 01:26:20,159
uh you guys head into the woods and at

2192
01:26:25,430 --> 01:26:23,600
this point uh

2193
01:26:27,030 --> 01:26:25,440
i i don't even know if you're aware that

2194
01:26:29,110 --> 01:26:27,040
at this point that charles had his

2195
01:26:30,629 --> 01:26:29,120
little recorder on him well when i met

2196
01:26:33,430 --> 01:26:30,639
up with him yes

2197
01:26:37,030 --> 01:26:33,440
we met up with him when i met up to him

2198
01:26:39,590 --> 01:26:37,040
now in my hypnosis but i remember um he

2199
01:26:41,110 --> 01:26:39,600
had his radio he had the recorder he

2200
01:26:44,229 --> 01:26:41,120
told me you know he was talking to the

2201
01:26:47,189 --> 01:26:44,239
command post his call sign was stopper

2202
01:26:49,270 --> 01:26:47,199
and he also had the um audio cassette

2203
01:26:51,030 --> 01:26:49,280
that he said he was recording he's

2204
01:26:53,350 --> 01:26:51,040
pointed out some blue lights but here's

2205
01:26:56,229 --> 01:26:53,360
something that has just recently came

2206
01:26:58,229 --> 01:26:56,239
out that i wasn't even aware of but nick

2207
01:27:00,550 --> 01:26:58,239
redford did some foia and what's

2208
01:27:04,149 --> 01:27:00,560
interesting is if you go on the tape

2209
01:27:07,189 --> 01:27:04,159
there's a o 300 to 400 and 0 300 about

2210
01:27:10,149 --> 01:27:07,199
320 325 a bunch of stuff went on but

2211
01:27:11,830 --> 01:27:10,159
then it kind of goes dead from 303 330

2212
01:27:13,910 --> 01:27:11,840
to four and then he says we returned to

2213
01:27:16,229 --> 01:27:13,920
the base well what took out place with

2214
01:27:19,510 --> 01:27:16,239
adrian and i was between about 0 3 20

2215
01:27:22,709 --> 01:27:19,520
and 4. now redfern did a foia and the

2216
01:27:25,350 --> 01:27:22,719
british admitted in the foia that at 0 3

2217
01:27:26,870 --> 01:27:25,360
320 the bentwaters command post

2218
01:27:29,270 --> 01:27:26,880
contacted eastern radar and said they

2219
01:27:30,950 --> 01:27:29,280
had a ufo incident in progress

2220
01:27:32,709 --> 01:27:30,960
and that the command post wanted

2221
01:27:35,990 --> 01:27:32,719
verification on whether or not there was

2222
01:27:37,990 --> 01:27:36,000
uf any kind of radar contact and the

2223
01:27:39,669 --> 01:27:38,000
foia then comes back and says basically

2224
01:27:40,709 --> 01:27:39,679
those tapes have been destroyed so

2225
01:27:42,470 --> 01:27:40,719
therefore

2226
01:27:44,870 --> 01:27:42,480
they cannot confirm

2227
01:27:46,390 --> 01:27:44,880
what was or wasn't on radar during the

2228
01:27:48,470 --> 01:27:46,400
incident

2229
01:27:50,229 --> 01:27:48,480
in a strange way when you get that kind

2230
01:27:52,470 --> 01:27:50,239
of confirmation

2231
01:27:55,110 --> 01:27:52,480
it just freaks you out even further i

2232
01:27:57,669 --> 01:27:55,120
mean i think that all of us uh

2233
01:27:59,910 --> 01:27:57,679
want this to be

2234
01:28:01,990 --> 01:27:59,920
what it is right an actual ufo

2235
01:28:04,310 --> 01:28:02,000
experience and encounter and then on the

2236
01:28:05,830 --> 01:28:04,320
other side we don't want that right it's

2237
01:28:08,149 --> 01:28:05,840
like wait a minute maybe we don't

2238
01:28:10,470 --> 01:28:08,159
actually want this to be what it is but

2239
01:28:12,950 --> 01:28:10,480
when you get the verification that's a

2240
01:28:15,750 --> 01:28:12,960
pretty frightening thing that uh it is

2241
01:28:17,590 --> 01:28:15,760
what it is it is what we are all you

2242
01:28:18,870 --> 01:28:17,600
know fearing and hoping for at the same

2243
01:28:20,229 --> 01:28:18,880
time

2244
01:28:25,910 --> 01:28:20,239
right

2245
01:28:30,950 --> 01:28:25,920
whatever when adrian and i went forward

2246
01:28:36,390 --> 01:28:33,830
saw something happen to us and halt

2247
01:28:39,510 --> 01:28:36,400
from that point going forward has never

2248
01:28:41,430 --> 01:28:39,520
wanted to publicly talk about or even

2249
01:28:42,390 --> 01:28:41,440
for a longest time admit that we were

2250
01:28:44,390 --> 01:28:42,400
even involved

2251
01:28:47,110 --> 01:28:44,400
but when vistenza's name's on the tape

2252
01:28:49,030 --> 01:28:47,120
my name's on the tape um and then an

2253
01:28:51,430 --> 01:28:49,040
interview robbins did with halt where he

2254
01:28:53,430 --> 01:28:51,440
slipped up and admitted i went forward

2255
01:28:56,310 --> 01:28:53,440
it kind of forced his hand

2256
01:28:59,030 --> 01:28:56,320
but his latest thing is simply well i

2257
01:29:00,629 --> 01:28:59,040
could see him go forward they didn't

2258
01:29:02,629 --> 01:29:00,639
nothing appeared to happen to him not

2259
01:29:04,629 --> 01:29:02,639
saying it didn't but when they came back

2260
01:29:05,350 --> 01:29:04,639
they didn't really say anything

2261
01:29:12,390 --> 01:29:05,360
so

2262
01:29:14,629 --> 01:29:12,400
emails from him where he said he's

2263
01:29:17,110 --> 01:29:14,639
he he's actually towards some of them he

2264
01:29:18,790 --> 01:29:17,120
says i'm done trying to cover for you so

2265
01:29:20,790 --> 01:29:18,800
he's kind of even implied that he's

2266
01:29:23,510 --> 01:29:20,800
tried to keep that part of the story

2267
01:29:25,430 --> 01:29:23,520
quiet or didn't want it brought into the

2268
01:29:27,750 --> 01:29:25,440
whole thing now let's get back to the

2269
01:29:31,350 --> 01:29:27,760
tape um

2270
01:29:33,350 --> 01:29:31,360
what halt is describing uh as you guys

2271
01:29:35,430 --> 01:29:33,360
are walking through the forest

2272
01:29:37,430 --> 01:29:35,440
uh and is you know because he's painting

2273
01:29:40,550 --> 01:29:37,440
a very good visual picture

2274
01:29:42,870 --> 01:29:40,560
right the blinking eye the movement

2275
01:29:45,990 --> 01:29:42,880
right you know it's it's moving in

2276
01:29:48,950 --> 01:29:46,000
inside of the trees oh it moved again

2277
01:29:52,229 --> 01:29:48,960
pretty frightening play-by-play

2278
01:29:53,750 --> 01:29:52,239
let me break some of this down uh as you

2279
01:29:55,110 --> 01:29:53,760
guys were moving

2280
01:29:56,870 --> 01:29:55,120
uh though i think the first thing that

2281
01:29:59,030 --> 01:29:56,880
halt brings up you can correct me if i'm

2282
01:30:01,110 --> 01:29:59,040
wrong is the blinking eye did you see

2283
01:30:03,510 --> 01:30:01,120
the blinking eye

2284
01:30:04,830 --> 01:30:03,520
no no i was not with

2285
01:30:06,870 --> 01:30:04,840
colonel hall

2286
01:30:09,910 --> 01:30:06,880
um uh

2287
01:30:12,229 --> 01:30:09,920
at all up until we met as he was coming

2288
01:30:13,270 --> 01:30:12,239
back from some of what took place on the

2289
01:30:15,830 --> 01:30:13,280
tape

2290
01:30:17,830 --> 01:30:15,840
and i met up with him at that point so

2291
01:30:20,470 --> 01:30:17,840
all the stuff that went on where he

2292
01:30:21,990 --> 01:30:20,480
talks about the blinking eye molten uh

2293
01:30:23,270 --> 01:30:22,000
here it comes from the south there's a

2294
01:30:24,790 --> 01:30:23,280
beam of light coming down on their feet

2295
01:30:26,310 --> 01:30:24,800
and all that i was not involved in any

2296
01:30:28,229 --> 01:30:26,320
of that so you didn't see the beam of

2297
01:30:30,229 --> 01:30:28,239
light coming to the ground no but what's

2298
01:30:32,550 --> 01:30:30,239
interesting was i have said this for

2299
01:30:34,470 --> 01:30:32,560
years that right before we met up with

2300
01:30:36,950 --> 01:30:34,480
him there was a blue light that came

2301
01:30:37,830 --> 01:30:36,960
from their direction that shot right at

2302
01:30:39,110 --> 01:30:37,840
us

2303
01:30:41,110 --> 01:30:39,120
and there was a staging area with

2304
01:30:43,350 --> 01:30:41,120
lightholes it came at us

2305
01:30:45,270 --> 01:30:43,360
went over the top of us it went past the

2306
01:30:46,629 --> 01:30:45,280
lighthouse and it lit up and it went

2307
01:30:48,790 --> 01:30:46,639
through the pickup truck back by the

2308
01:30:50,310 --> 01:30:48,800
lighthouse and then shot back up into

2309
01:30:51,910 --> 01:30:50,320
the sky

2310
01:30:54,070 --> 01:30:51,920
oh man and

2311
01:30:56,629 --> 01:30:54,080
so was there hooping and hollering was

2312
01:30:59,350 --> 01:30:56,639
any anybody screaming was there anything

2313
01:31:01,350 --> 01:30:59,360
you know not screaming in terror but

2314
01:31:03,669 --> 01:31:01,360
you know there's a lot of activity going

2315
01:31:07,189 --> 01:31:03,679
on in the forest right now

2316
01:31:10,470 --> 01:31:08,310
it was

2317
01:31:11,830 --> 01:31:10,480
there was nothing that i can remember of

2318
01:31:14,149 --> 01:31:11,840
anybody

2319
01:31:15,830 --> 01:31:14,159
freaking out or anything other than what

2320
01:31:17,830 --> 01:31:15,840
i remember and it's more from my

2321
01:31:19,990 --> 01:31:17,840
hypnosis than my memory other than the

2322
01:31:22,390 --> 01:31:20,000
jarred it a little bit was they all

2323
01:31:24,149 --> 01:31:22,400
looked really weird

2324
01:31:24,870 --> 01:31:24,159
the whole team looked weird but two of

2325
01:31:27,510 --> 01:31:24,880
them

2326
01:31:29,430 --> 01:31:27,520
hall himself didn't seem too

2327
01:31:30,790 --> 01:31:29,440
worked up about it

2328
01:31:33,750 --> 01:31:30,800
and

2329
01:31:34,790 --> 01:31:33,760
was

2330
01:31:36,870 --> 01:31:34,800
like

2331
01:31:38,870 --> 01:31:36,880
being england he was an ex-marine was

2332
01:31:41,590 --> 01:31:38,880
kind of like he was armed he had a

2333
01:31:43,189 --> 01:31:41,600
weapon with him and he was like he was

2334
01:31:45,430 --> 01:31:43,199
he wasn't freaked out he was kind of

2335
01:31:48,070 --> 01:31:45,440
like jazzed by it and just said we were

2336
01:31:50,470 --> 01:31:48,080
armed and blah blah but everybody else

2337
01:31:52,229 --> 01:31:50,480
was kind of like uh they had to look

2338
01:31:55,430 --> 01:31:52,239
probably like we did the first night you

2339
01:31:58,390 --> 01:31:55,440
know okay uh back to uh your part of

2340
01:31:59,990 --> 01:31:58,400
this uh you and adrian abastinza what

2341
01:32:02,950 --> 01:32:00,000
happens next

2342
01:32:04,310 --> 01:32:02,960
well he let us go forward um

2343
01:32:06,870 --> 01:32:04,320
we

2344
01:32:08,470 --> 01:32:06,880
i didn't have a radio adrian did um it

2345
01:32:10,709 --> 01:32:08,480
it seemed like the object whatever it

2346
01:32:12,950 --> 01:32:10,719
was that was in the trees hovering above

2347
01:32:16,790 --> 01:32:12,960
the trees started to come down and

2348
01:32:19,510 --> 01:32:16,800
towards us we were running towards it um

2349
01:32:21,430 --> 01:32:19,520
he was to my right and and we had a

2350
01:32:23,510 --> 01:32:21,440
brief radio transmission with the tower

2351
01:32:27,270 --> 01:32:23,520
saying whatever it is seems to be

2352
01:32:29,750 --> 01:32:27,280
getting close to us can we continue

2353
01:32:31,910 --> 01:32:29,760
and they said go for it and

2354
01:32:34,229 --> 01:32:31,920
and then at that point adrian went down

2355
01:32:35,830 --> 01:32:34,239
to the ground and he said that he felt

2356
01:32:37,830 --> 01:32:35,840
like something pushed him down and held

2357
01:32:40,390 --> 01:32:37,840
him down and as he went down to the

2358
01:32:42,470 --> 01:32:40,400
ground whatever it was kind of he said

2359
01:32:44,229 --> 01:32:42,480
came over the top of me

2360
01:32:45,990 --> 01:32:44,239
and i remember getting close to it

2361
01:32:47,830 --> 01:32:46,000
that's all i remember until it was gone

2362
01:32:50,070 --> 01:32:47,840
and was standing there and he said i

2363
01:32:52,149 --> 01:32:50,080
fazed away i disappeared

2364
01:32:55,189 --> 01:32:52,159
and part of it touched him and he's had

2365
01:32:57,030 --> 01:32:55,199
some health issues from that and and i

2366
01:32:59,750 --> 01:32:57,040
phased out and i was gone for a while

2367
01:33:00,790 --> 01:32:59,760
and i was back then the object as i came

2368
01:33:03,270 --> 01:33:00,800
back

2369
01:33:05,669 --> 01:33:03,280
went up and disappeared and he did also

2370
01:33:07,590 --> 01:33:05,679
say that at that point when i went into

2371
01:33:09,590 --> 01:33:07,600
it and i phased away it appeared to take

2372
01:33:11,110 --> 01:33:09,600
a triangle or shape

2373
01:33:13,189 --> 01:33:11,120
so

2374
01:33:15,030 --> 01:33:13,199
he is describing and i've heard him say

2375
01:33:17,350 --> 01:33:15,040
this but i want you to be very clear for

2376
01:33:20,550 --> 01:33:17,360
the audience for tonight's show

2377
01:33:22,629 --> 01:33:20,560
that he was watching you

2378
01:33:24,550 --> 01:33:22,639
you phased

2379
01:33:26,550 --> 01:33:24,560
yeah like he described the best way to

2380
01:33:28,390 --> 01:33:26,560
describe it was that like what you see

2381
01:33:29,990 --> 01:33:28,400
on star trek where you know they beam

2382
01:33:32,229 --> 01:33:30,000
away right right

2383
01:33:35,510 --> 01:33:32,239
that's what he said happened to me and

2384
01:33:37,590 --> 01:33:35,520
were you uh watching adrian

2385
01:33:40,310 --> 01:33:37,600
no as i saw him kind of out of my

2386
01:33:42,149 --> 01:33:40,320
peripheral vision go down i kept going

2387
01:33:43,830 --> 01:33:42,159
it seemed like i was there it was and

2388
01:33:46,149 --> 01:33:43,840
then then the next thing i know i'm

2389
01:33:47,910 --> 01:33:46,159
looking in

2390
01:33:49,669 --> 01:33:47,920
there he is on the ground i turned

2391
01:33:52,229 --> 01:33:49,679
around looked back or i was staring at

2392
01:33:53,750 --> 01:33:52,239
him i can't i can't ever really remember

2393
01:33:56,629 --> 01:33:53,760
if i

2394
01:33:59,110 --> 01:33:56,639
was staring out looking at where i was

2395
01:34:00,790 --> 01:33:59,120
heading forward or if i was when i came

2396
01:34:02,870 --> 01:34:00,800
and realized what was going on i was

2397
01:34:05,990 --> 01:34:02,880
looking back at him but eventually i saw

2398
01:34:08,310 --> 01:34:06,000
him on the ground and he got up and you

2399
01:34:10,149 --> 01:34:08,320
know and then it was kind of like

2400
01:34:12,070 --> 01:34:10,159
looking at each other and

2401
01:34:13,669 --> 01:34:12,080
that was about it and then neither one

2402
01:34:15,990 --> 01:34:13,679
of us remember anything from that point

2403
01:34:18,550 --> 01:34:16,000
going back how close were you to the

2404
01:34:20,950 --> 01:34:18,560
object according to him i went into it i

2405
01:34:21,990 --> 01:34:20,960
re i was pretty close to it not very far

2406
01:34:24,390 --> 01:34:22,000
from it

2407
01:34:26,229 --> 01:34:24,400
okay the last thing that you remember uh

2408
01:34:28,470 --> 01:34:26,239
what was that

2409
01:34:30,390 --> 01:34:28,480
just that the light was coming at us and

2410
01:34:34,070 --> 01:34:30,400
it was an orangish hue

2411
01:34:35,030 --> 01:34:34,080
you know light kind of and and and it it

2412
01:34:46,390 --> 01:34:35,040
it

2413
01:34:49,350 --> 01:34:46,400
the distance at that point

2414
01:34:51,510 --> 01:34:49,360
uh to the best of your recollection what

2415
01:34:52,709 --> 01:34:51,520
are we talking about here was it yards

2416
01:34:54,550 --> 01:34:52,719
was it

2417
01:34:57,270 --> 01:34:54,560
uh 50 feet

2418
01:34:58,629 --> 01:34:57,280
you know how close do you was the last

2419
01:35:01,270 --> 01:34:58,639
thing

2420
01:35:02,310 --> 01:35:01,280
you know i've never really tried

2421
01:35:07,669 --> 01:35:02,320
to

2422
01:35:10,070 --> 01:35:07,679
close it was like

2423
01:35:12,149 --> 01:35:10,080
we were almost on it it felt like or

2424
01:35:13,830 --> 01:35:12,159
there it was all you know it was coming

2425
01:35:15,669 --> 01:35:13,840
towards us we were going towards it and

2426
01:35:17,350 --> 01:35:15,679
it was almost like i was on it and then

2427
01:35:19,430 --> 01:35:17,360
like i said all of a sudden it was like

2428
01:35:22,070 --> 01:35:19,440
it seemed like it was gone

2429
01:35:24,629 --> 01:35:22,080
so i it would have been yards

2430
01:35:28,870 --> 01:35:24,639
so the best i can tell you

2431
01:35:30,950 --> 01:35:28,880
what a crazy moment this is and uh

2432
01:35:33,830 --> 01:35:30,960
at that moment where besenza says that

2433
01:35:36,149 --> 01:35:33,840
you phase out right he's been affected

2434
01:35:38,310 --> 01:35:36,159
by this exterior force

2435
01:35:40,149 --> 01:35:38,320
that uh is either knocked him to the

2436
01:35:43,350 --> 01:35:40,159
ground and is holding him to the ground

2437
01:35:44,229 --> 01:35:43,360
but that's going on at that moment and

2438
01:35:47,669 --> 01:35:44,239
the

2439
01:35:48,550 --> 01:35:47,679
phasing that adrian is describing here

2440
01:35:50,149 --> 01:35:48,560
um

2441
01:35:52,149 --> 01:35:50,159
is that

2442
01:35:55,590 --> 01:35:52,159
uh which you would have to suppose at

2443
01:35:57,830 --> 01:35:55,600
this moment but that's the period of you

2444
01:35:59,750 --> 01:35:57,840
coming back to

2445
01:36:01,910 --> 01:35:59,760
and the object is gone am i

2446
01:36:03,830 --> 01:36:01,920
understanding everything correct well no

2447
01:36:06,070 --> 01:36:03,840
he made it sound like he saw me phase

2448
01:36:08,149 --> 01:36:06,080
out and was gone and then i phased back

2449
01:36:08,950 --> 01:36:08,159
in that's what i mean so when you phased

2450
01:36:10,709 --> 01:36:08,960
in

2451
01:36:12,629 --> 01:36:10,719
the object was gone

2452
01:36:15,350 --> 01:36:12,639
then the object disappeared right it

2453
01:36:17,750 --> 01:36:15,360
kind of like i came back in and then it

2454
01:36:19,990 --> 01:36:17,760
shot away okay when you say that it shot

2455
01:36:21,350 --> 01:36:20,000
away was this up

2456
01:36:23,990 --> 01:36:21,360
he never really

2457
01:36:25,830 --> 01:36:24,000
said i don't remember any of it he just

2458
01:36:27,669 --> 01:36:25,840
said it seemed like when i reappeared

2459
01:36:29,990 --> 01:36:27,679
then the object disappeared well i've

2460
01:36:32,709 --> 01:36:30,000
never really gotten to the point of what

2461
01:36:35,430 --> 01:36:32,719
the object did you mentioned at that

2462
01:36:37,990 --> 01:36:35,440
point this is i'm quoting you

2463
01:36:40,470 --> 01:36:38,000
you said at that point there was a

2464
01:36:42,470 --> 01:36:40,480
triangular shape right he said it looked

2465
01:36:44,950 --> 01:36:42,480
like it took a triangle shape yes at one

2466
01:36:47,510 --> 01:36:44,960
point okay but you yourself don't

2467
01:36:49,830 --> 01:36:47,520
remember that no like i said both times

2468
01:36:51,669 --> 01:36:49,840
first time got close to something boom

2469
01:36:53,669 --> 01:36:51,679
it was gone second time got close to

2470
01:36:55,910 --> 01:36:53,679
something boom it was gone

2471
01:36:59,109 --> 01:36:55,920
and when you when you think about this

2472
01:37:01,030 --> 01:36:59,119
now and you have to understand even for

2473
01:37:02,830 --> 01:37:01,040
myself john uh

2474
01:37:05,510 --> 01:37:02,840
this is pretty

2475
01:37:07,350 --> 01:37:05,520
fantastical stuff this is this is hard

2476
01:37:11,030 --> 01:37:07,360
to wrap your mind around

2477
01:37:13,510 --> 01:37:11,040
and you everybody knows there's multiple

2478
01:37:16,310 --> 01:37:13,520
witnesses to what is going on

2479
01:37:17,590 --> 01:37:16,320
and this phenomenal i just stole your

2480
01:37:21,590 --> 01:37:17,600
radio you should call your show

2481
01:37:26,709 --> 01:37:24,870
this this phenomenal event is going down

2482
01:37:29,189 --> 01:37:26,719
but really

2483
01:37:31,270 --> 01:37:29,199
you don't remember the exact moment it's

2484
01:37:33,109 --> 01:37:31,280
adrian that witnessed it

2485
01:37:34,950 --> 01:37:33,119
right in in the same way on the first

2486
01:37:37,030 --> 01:37:34,960
night peniston said

2487
01:37:38,709 --> 01:37:37,040
that you know the object was over me at

2488
01:37:40,310 --> 01:37:38,719
one point um

2489
01:37:43,669 --> 01:37:40,320
he hinted at one point i may have

2490
01:37:44,950 --> 01:37:43,679
disappeared for a while so both times

2491
01:37:48,550 --> 01:37:44,960
you know and i've been ridiculed for

2492
01:37:50,870 --> 01:37:48,560
that but i'm honest i do not know what

2493
01:37:53,430 --> 01:37:50,880
happened you know i can only go

2494
01:37:54,950 --> 01:37:53,440
on what people said they saw happened

2495
01:37:56,950 --> 01:37:54,960
and that's

2496
01:37:58,950 --> 01:37:56,960
what the way i've always been i got

2497
01:38:01,510 --> 01:37:58,960
close to something and then it was gone

2498
01:38:03,510 --> 01:38:01,520
and i do not know what took place other

2499
01:38:05,669 --> 01:38:03,520
than what other people said they saw and

2500
01:38:08,070 --> 01:38:05,679
then obviously some of my hypnosis

2501
01:38:09,750 --> 01:38:08,080
paints a bigger picture so what happened

2502
01:38:12,070 --> 01:38:09,760
next

2503
01:38:14,229 --> 01:38:12,080
well again like i said we started going

2504
01:38:16,470 --> 01:38:14,239
back and neither adrian and i really

2505
01:38:18,870 --> 01:38:16,480
remember much from the point we turn

2506
01:38:20,790 --> 01:38:18,880
around to go back until he remembers the

2507
01:38:23,510 --> 01:38:20,800
next morning and i remember the next

2508
01:38:24,790 --> 01:38:23,520
afternoon so we don't remember anything

2509
01:38:27,510 --> 01:38:24,800
from that point

2510
01:38:28,950 --> 01:38:27,520
with the halt memo uh which uh i'm

2511
01:38:30,629 --> 01:38:28,960
looking at the clock here we got about

2512
01:38:32,629 --> 01:38:30,639
uh three minutes

2513
01:38:35,750 --> 01:38:32,639
with the halt memo halt's got to write

2514
01:38:37,830 --> 01:38:35,760
this up right and halt writes up the the

2515
01:38:39,350 --> 01:38:37,840
the memo i think he writes it up on the

2516
01:38:41,109 --> 01:38:39,360
27th

2517
01:38:43,030 --> 01:38:41,119
right well i i have to look at the memo

2518
01:38:44,870 --> 01:38:43,040
on the date but it was a week or two

2519
01:38:46,790 --> 01:38:44,880
after the event yeah he was told to

2520
01:38:49,510 --> 01:38:46,800
write something up and sent to the mod

2521
01:38:52,070 --> 01:38:49,520
right so he had to back date all of this

2522
01:38:54,310 --> 01:38:52,080
um uh in other words he didn't write the

2523
01:38:56,070 --> 01:38:54,320
memo uh as

2524
01:38:58,470 --> 01:38:56,080
you know the day that it happened is

2525
01:39:00,229 --> 01:38:58,480
what i'm referencing here right right he

2526
01:39:03,109 --> 01:39:00,239
wrote it afterwards as far as what was

2527
01:39:05,030 --> 01:39:03,119
officially has been released yes so

2528
01:39:07,189 --> 01:39:05,040
when uh

2529
01:39:10,470 --> 01:39:07,199
the conversation goes down with you and

2530
01:39:13,350 --> 01:39:10,480
halt uh what did you tell him

2531
01:39:15,510 --> 01:39:13,360
well when we went in we went in it was

2532
01:39:17,590 --> 01:39:15,520
like the tuesday when we came back to

2533
01:39:19,590 --> 01:39:17,600
duty on monday was told to write a

2534
01:39:22,550 --> 01:39:19,600
statement you know it was hinted before

2535
01:39:24,629 --> 01:39:22,560
i went on break but i didn't do it

2536
01:39:26,950 --> 01:39:24,639
and then monday we were told to write

2537
01:39:28,629 --> 01:39:26,960
write it up so i did and we went in

2538
01:39:30,870 --> 01:39:28,639
tuesday before we went to work what i

2539
01:39:32,950 --> 01:39:30,880
remember and we met with halt first

2540
01:39:34,870 --> 01:39:32,960
handed statements to him then we all

2541
01:39:36,229 --> 01:39:34,880
went in and saw conrad and then we even

2542
01:39:39,030 --> 01:39:36,239
saw the old man is what they call the

2543
01:39:41,750 --> 01:39:39,040
wing commander and it was brief with

2544
01:39:44,790 --> 01:39:41,760
both of them and pedestal was the nco so

2545
01:39:47,510 --> 01:39:44,800
he reported to him and uh

2546
01:39:50,470 --> 01:39:47,520
you know there wasn't a lot

2547
01:39:52,629 --> 01:39:50,480
that i had involvement with hall or

2548
01:39:54,950 --> 01:39:52,639
conrad or williams at the time you know

2549
01:39:58,310 --> 01:39:54,960
i was just i was an airman and it wasn't

2550
01:40:00,390 --> 01:39:58,320
my place other than was basically told

2551
01:40:02,310 --> 01:40:00,400
was that they were looking into this and

2552
01:40:04,070 --> 01:40:02,320
that they would get back to me

2553
01:40:06,229 --> 01:40:04,080
if they needed anything and otherwise i

2554
01:40:08,629 --> 01:40:06,239
was to stay quiet about it and that was

2555
01:40:12,229 --> 01:40:08,639
that was the gist of what happened with

2556
01:40:14,149 --> 01:40:12,239
me did conrad uh forget about halt for a

2557
01:40:16,550 --> 01:40:14,159
second uh and we're gonna be headed

2558
01:40:19,350 --> 01:40:16,560
towards a break but did conrad

2559
01:40:21,430 --> 01:40:19,360
uh suggest anything uh

2560
01:40:22,950 --> 01:40:21,440
to you to put in your statement to alter

2561
01:40:25,030 --> 01:40:22,960
the event

2562
01:40:27,350 --> 01:40:25,040
no nobody did they just told me to write

2563
01:40:30,550 --> 01:40:27,360
it the only thing they did say was

2564
01:40:32,390 --> 01:40:30,560
they they wanted me to write they

2565
01:40:33,750 --> 01:40:32,400
weren't i was off duty on the third

2566
01:40:36,149 --> 01:40:33,760
night and

2567
01:40:37,990 --> 01:40:36,159
it was like they wanted a statement for

2568
01:40:39,830 --> 01:40:38,000
me on what took place

2569
01:40:42,550 --> 01:40:39,840
from what we initially saw and what

2570
01:40:44,709 --> 01:40:42,560
going forward into going out off base

2571
01:40:46,550 --> 01:40:44,719
and that was all they wanted i said well

2572
01:40:48,629 --> 01:40:46,560
there's a lot to talk about over three

2573
01:40:51,590 --> 01:40:48,639
days and they said don't worry about the

2574
01:40:53,189 --> 01:40:51,600
other stuff just right up what

2575
01:40:55,669 --> 01:40:53,199
you know started the whole thing that's

2576
01:40:58,390 --> 01:40:55,679
what we want and i did and then i turned

2577
01:41:00,629 --> 01:40:58,400
it in and they never challenged me or

2578
01:41:03,030 --> 01:41:00,639
told me what the writers say until years

2579
01:41:04,790 --> 01:41:03,040
later that's when uh the whole thing

2580
01:41:07,189 --> 01:41:04,800
broke and that's when the pentagon

2581
01:41:09,590 --> 01:41:07,199
called me and that guy that whole thing

2582
01:41:11,430 --> 01:41:09,600
took a twist and turn so i find that uh

2583
01:41:12,870 --> 01:41:11,440
part very interesting john we got to

2584
01:41:14,870 --> 01:41:12,880
take a break right here in that they

2585
01:41:16,229 --> 01:41:14,880
didn't ask you to alter but they

2586
01:41:18,790 --> 01:41:16,239
they didn't

2587
01:41:21,189 --> 01:41:18,800
want you to comment about knight two or

2588
01:41:23,510 --> 01:41:21,199
three they only wanted the official

2589
01:41:24,629 --> 01:41:23,520
aspect of it when you're on patrol

2590
01:41:26,070 --> 01:41:24,639
that's what they were interested well

2591
01:41:27,590 --> 01:41:26,080
they didn't really know i knew about

2592
01:41:29,030 --> 01:41:27,600
knight two i don't think that but they

2593
01:41:30,709 --> 01:41:29,040
didn't want me to talk about knight

2594
01:41:32,709 --> 01:41:30,719
three yes they definitely did not want

2595
01:41:34,390 --> 01:41:32,719
me to talk about night very interesting

2596
01:41:36,470 --> 01:41:34,400
let's take a break right here john

2597
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burroughs is our guest we're putting a

2598
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fork in

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rendell shim i've got a whole list of

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of that and try to get it all done when

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we come back i made a promise i'm gonna

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welcome back to faded black our guest

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tonight john burroughs

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attempting to put a fork

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in randallshim

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i'm doing my best

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great conversation tonight great

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conversation hey hey john uh what's your

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i don't have one

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you know twitter's gonna be big there's

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a rumor that it's it you know you might

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want to you might want to jump in you

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know before it blows up

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okay okay all right keep that in mind

2720
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[Laughter]

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all right i

2722
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look i i have got a ton of questions

2723
01:47:27,109 --> 01:47:24,080
here

2724
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and um now we've done our best tonight

2725
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uh for your uh eyewitness side of things

2726
01:47:34,470 --> 01:47:32,960
uh but everybody's got a ton of

2727
01:47:37,669 --> 01:47:34,480
questions maybe some of this will store

2728
01:47:41,350 --> 01:47:37,679
your memories um also uh some of it may

2729
01:47:42,790 --> 01:47:41,360
not apply but i i'm going to uh just lay

2730
01:47:45,830 --> 01:47:42,800
it all out there

2731
01:47:47,830 --> 01:47:45,840
um and and squash rumors too as well so

2732
01:47:50,950 --> 01:47:47,840
let's let's do all of this this is the

2733
01:47:53,910 --> 01:47:50,960
first question um tell us about the

2734
01:47:55,590 --> 01:47:53,920
physical characteristics of the craft

2735
01:47:57,750 --> 01:47:55,600
you touched

2736
01:47:59,189 --> 01:47:57,760
what were the symbols like

2737
01:48:02,229 --> 01:47:59,199
now i already know the answer to the

2738
01:48:04,870 --> 01:48:02,239
question but you know please answer

2739
01:48:07,270 --> 01:48:04,880
well i didn't touch it peniston did and

2740
01:48:09,109 --> 01:48:07,280
he he he's you can go

2741
01:48:11,189 --> 01:48:09,119
he's he's it's been put out there what

2742
01:48:12,790 --> 01:48:11,199
the glyphs look like you know what he

2743
01:48:15,270 --> 01:48:12,800
drew in his notebook

2744
01:48:16,870 --> 01:48:15,280
and and then when he he claims it when

2745
01:48:19,270 --> 01:48:16,880
he touched the glyphs then he got a

2746
01:48:21,910 --> 01:48:19,280
binary download which he wrote down a

2747
01:48:24,070 --> 01:48:21,920
couple days or a day and a half later so

2748
01:48:26,470 --> 01:48:24,080
none of that happened with me but

2749
01:48:28,790 --> 01:48:26,480
but peniston did say he walked around it

2750
01:48:30,870 --> 01:48:28,800
saw the glyphs touched it wrote it down

2751
01:48:32,950 --> 01:48:30,880
in his notebook so that's the best i

2752
01:48:35,990 --> 01:48:32,960
could answer that one we've got a lot of

2753
01:48:37,350 --> 01:48:36,000
questions based on this uh and i'm going

2754
01:48:38,550 --> 01:48:37,360
to uh

2755
01:48:40,790 --> 01:48:38,560
ask them all

2756
01:48:44,390 --> 01:48:40,800
uh this is uh for me

2757
01:48:46,310 --> 01:48:44,400
the craft now that is at uh rendelsham

2758
01:48:47,669 --> 01:48:46,320
forest right the uh

2759
01:48:50,470 --> 01:48:47,679
what do you want to call it statue

2760
01:48:52,550 --> 01:48:50,480
memorial but have you does that resemble

2761
01:48:54,870 --> 01:48:52,560
anything that you remember

2762
01:48:57,430 --> 01:48:54,880
no not me but they tried to base it

2763
01:48:59,109 --> 01:48:57,440
basically off of peniston's drawings

2764
01:49:00,870 --> 01:48:59,119
that he put in the statement

2765
01:49:04,550 --> 01:49:00,880
okay uh

2766
01:49:05,590 --> 01:49:04,560
next uh going back to night one can john

2767
01:49:09,030 --> 01:49:05,600
remember

2768
01:49:11,510 --> 01:49:09,040
was it near the field or borough hill

2769
01:49:13,350 --> 01:49:11,520
where they stumbled into a stream and

2770
01:49:15,590 --> 01:49:13,360
got wet i remember you and i talking

2771
01:49:17,590 --> 01:49:15,600
about this uh last year can john

2772
01:49:20,629 --> 01:49:17,600
remember if it was on the outward

2773
01:49:23,430 --> 01:49:20,639
journey or on the way back

2774
01:49:25,350 --> 01:49:23,440
well that's the thing um i do remember

2775
01:49:27,189 --> 01:49:25,360
when we were coming back i realized that

2776
01:49:29,990 --> 01:49:27,199
we were wet the feet were wet and we

2777
01:49:31,830 --> 01:49:30,000
were wet and my hypnosis it goes a

2778
01:49:34,470 --> 01:49:31,840
little deeper into the fact that we were

2779
01:49:37,109 --> 01:49:34,480
wet and we really couldn't figure out

2780
01:49:39,430 --> 01:49:37,119
how we got from where we were to where

2781
01:49:41,350 --> 01:49:39,440
we there were then and then

2782
01:49:43,189 --> 01:49:41,360
and then you know in the time frame that

2783
01:49:46,470 --> 01:49:43,199
it took so

2784
01:49:48,950 --> 01:49:46,480
barrel hill is about two miles out and

2785
01:49:51,430 --> 01:49:48,960
it's a very interesting place in itself

2786
01:49:53,189 --> 01:49:51,440
and it you know the history behind it

2787
01:49:55,669 --> 01:49:53,199
and that's where my statement and

2788
01:49:57,430 --> 01:49:55,679
command sec statement we we got to the

2789
01:49:59,030 --> 01:49:57,440
top of the hill and looked out to the

2790
01:50:01,910 --> 01:49:59,040
coast so

2791
01:50:04,149 --> 01:50:01,920
there's a lot to that but exactly when

2792
01:50:07,270 --> 01:50:04,159
we got wet i'm not sure

2793
01:50:10,470 --> 01:50:07,280
could you please ask mr burroughs if he

2794
01:50:14,709 --> 01:50:10,480
considers the event holy e.t

2795
01:50:17,350 --> 01:50:14,719
or in some way spiritual as well

2796
01:50:19,189 --> 01:50:17,360
i don't consider it

2797
01:50:21,590 --> 01:50:19,199
the best way to put this is this i'm not

2798
01:50:23,990 --> 01:50:21,600
sure what it was uh there's a guy in the

2799
01:50:25,910 --> 01:50:24,000
uk that i met and i've become friends

2800
01:50:28,310 --> 01:50:25,920
with and has done a lot of research on

2801
01:50:29,669 --> 01:50:28,320
the area by the name of james worro

2802
01:50:31,510 --> 01:50:29,679
that's done a lot of research on the

2803
01:50:32,790 --> 01:50:31,520
technology that was going on the testing

2804
01:50:34,870 --> 01:50:32,800
was going on

2805
01:50:37,109 --> 01:50:34,880
sap programs were taking place just

2806
01:50:40,070 --> 01:50:37,119
outside the gate uh there was a known

2807
01:50:41,910 --> 01:50:40,080
phenomenon there andrew pike was a

2808
01:50:44,709 --> 01:50:41,920
scientist that was working on that

2809
01:50:46,550 --> 01:50:44,719
aspect of it at the time we back last

2810
01:50:49,189 --> 01:50:46,560
year we did some research with wing

2811
01:50:50,470 --> 01:50:49,199
keech who we identified some energy

2812
01:50:52,390 --> 01:50:50,480
fields in there

2813
01:50:54,149 --> 01:50:52,400
so there is definitely some kind of

2814
01:50:56,390 --> 01:50:54,159
phenomena in that forest because stuff's

2815
01:50:58,550 --> 01:50:56,400
still taking place there to this day

2816
01:51:01,510 --> 01:50:58,560
and at the same time there also was some

2817
01:51:03,189 --> 01:51:01,520
technology and especially in 1980 and

2818
01:51:04,470 --> 01:51:03,199
even one of the sites is still there and

2819
01:51:07,590 --> 01:51:04,480
active today

2820
01:51:09,270 --> 01:51:07,600
so there's something that's there and it

2821
01:51:10,870 --> 01:51:09,280
very well could have been part of what

2822
01:51:12,950 --> 01:51:10,880
we encountered and it also could have

2823
01:51:16,229 --> 01:51:12,960
been some of our own technology that we

2824
01:51:19,270 --> 01:51:16,239
were seeing also this is via email

2825
01:51:20,790 --> 01:51:19,280
uh does john burroughs know why he is

2826
01:51:24,390 --> 01:51:20,800
not listed

2827
01:51:26,229 --> 01:51:24,400
in the new cable green documentary and

2828
01:51:29,030 --> 01:51:26,239
there's a little bit more to this but

2829
01:51:31,669 --> 01:51:29,040
i'm going to stop right there

2830
01:51:33,030 --> 01:51:31,679
i i declined i don't want anything to do

2831
01:51:34,790 --> 01:51:33,040
with that project

2832
01:51:37,350 --> 01:51:34,800
and there's uh

2833
01:51:38,629 --> 01:51:37,360
uh the the other part about this

2834
01:51:40,149 --> 01:51:38,639
incident that we didn't talk about

2835
01:51:41,270 --> 01:51:40,159
tonight was

2836
01:51:43,270 --> 01:51:41,280
uh

2837
01:51:46,229 --> 01:51:43,280
the craft again we're going into the

2838
01:51:48,790 --> 01:51:46,239
larry warren world and i'm not uh

2839
01:51:51,109 --> 01:51:48,800
concerned about that but the the

2840
01:51:53,189 --> 01:51:51,119
incident inside of the farmer's field

2841
01:51:54,390 --> 01:51:53,199
and and the craft line did you see any

2842
01:51:55,830 --> 01:51:54,400
of that

2843
01:51:58,709 --> 01:51:55,840
no

2844
01:52:00,870 --> 01:51:58,719
did did anybody else discuss that with

2845
01:52:04,149 --> 01:52:00,880
you

2846
01:52:06,070 --> 01:52:04,159
whatever yes

2847
01:52:08,550 --> 01:52:06,080
other than when when i found out about

2848
01:52:11,109 --> 01:52:08,560
peniston you know he kind of divulged a

2849
01:52:12,790 --> 01:52:11,119
lot of that he did a little bit of it in

2850
01:52:15,109 --> 01:52:12,800
uh strange but true

2851
01:52:16,470 --> 01:52:15,119
where he could see the glyphs but he

2852
01:52:18,470 --> 01:52:16,480
never really talked about any of the

2853
01:52:20,870 --> 01:52:18,480
other stuff at that point but it wasn't

2854
01:52:22,870 --> 01:52:20,880
until years later when i met up back up

2855
01:52:24,229 --> 01:52:22,880
with peniston that he started diving

2856
01:52:25,910 --> 01:52:24,239
into what he remembered and what

2857
01:52:28,790 --> 01:52:25,920
happened so

2858
01:52:30,709 --> 01:52:28,800
no i was never privy to the craft a

2859
01:52:32,550 --> 01:52:30,719
notebook or anything until years later

2860
01:52:33,350 --> 01:52:32,560
and uh the

2861
01:52:35,430 --> 01:52:33,360
the

2862
01:52:36,390 --> 01:52:35,440
okay all right let's let's let's let's

2863
01:52:38,550 --> 01:52:36,400
move on

2864
01:52:41,589 --> 01:52:38,560
um so you declined to be in the film

2865
01:52:44,709 --> 01:52:41,599
okay number let's go to i'm switching

2866
01:52:46,390 --> 01:52:44,719
different uh i've got three different

2867
01:52:48,390 --> 01:52:46,400
lists of questions here

2868
01:52:50,870 --> 01:52:48,400
uh going to night three when colonel

2869
01:52:53,189 --> 01:52:50,880
hall's party arrived back at the staging

2870
01:52:56,070 --> 01:52:53,199
post where the light bought where the

2871
01:52:58,790 --> 01:52:56,080
light all's working did john see them

2872
01:53:01,990 --> 01:52:58,800
working at any time when he was waiting

2873
01:53:04,470 --> 01:53:02,000
for colonel halt's party to return

2874
01:53:06,470 --> 01:53:04,480
lido's did not work at all except when

2875
01:53:08,950 --> 01:53:06,480
the blue light flew over the top of us

2876
01:53:10,709 --> 01:53:08,960
by them and they briefly activated and

2877
01:53:13,189 --> 01:53:10,719
that's a discrepancy that's come up

2878
01:53:15,030 --> 01:53:13,199
recently because colonel hall has now

2879
01:53:18,229 --> 01:53:15,040
said that he could see us because the

2880
01:53:21,030 --> 01:53:18,239
lighthouse you know were lit up the area

2881
01:53:22,629 --> 01:53:21,040
but if you go back earlier in time he

2882
01:53:23,910 --> 01:53:22,639
always said too the lighthouse never

2883
01:53:26,470 --> 01:53:23,920
worked and they had issues with the

2884
01:53:28,470 --> 01:53:26,480
lighthouse that they never did function

2885
01:53:30,390 --> 01:53:28,480
and like i said i saw them briefly come

2886
01:53:33,189 --> 01:53:30,400
on and off when the blue light

2887
01:53:34,950 --> 01:53:33,199
passed over us and by the lighthouse

2888
01:53:36,790 --> 01:53:34,960
briefly can you tell the audience what a

2889
01:53:38,149 --> 01:53:36,800
light all is

2890
01:53:40,470 --> 01:53:38,159
lighthouse is what they used on the

2891
01:53:43,109 --> 01:53:40,480
flight line to work on aircraft at night

2892
01:53:44,629 --> 01:53:43,119
and it was a generator with two lights

2893
01:53:45,990 --> 01:53:44,639
on it they could raise them up in the

2894
01:53:48,310 --> 01:53:46,000
air and they could throw light on

2895
01:53:50,629 --> 01:53:48,320
aircraft but we also used them for

2896
01:53:53,109 --> 01:53:50,639
security also to light up areas that you

2897
01:53:54,550 --> 01:53:53,119
know that were dimly lit but there were

2898
01:53:56,709 --> 01:53:54,560
some of them that were brought out to

2899
01:53:58,470 --> 01:53:56,719
the area and what i was told was the

2900
01:54:00,229 --> 01:53:58,480
reason why was they put them in the area

2901
01:54:01,910 --> 01:54:00,239
where we had our first night encounter

2902
01:54:02,709 --> 01:54:01,920
to try to light that area up a little

2903
01:54:04,950 --> 01:54:02,719
bit

2904
01:54:07,270 --> 01:54:04,960
and what was uh

2905
01:54:10,390 --> 01:54:07,280
next question what was in the farmer's

2906
01:54:14,629 --> 01:54:12,790
on which night uh i guess this would

2907
01:54:16,070 --> 01:54:14,639
have been night three

2908
01:54:17,910 --> 01:54:16,080
that's where hall

2909
01:54:20,229 --> 01:54:17,920
and there's a discrepancy on that one i

2910
01:54:22,470 --> 01:54:20,239
mean by discrepancy we're not so sure

2911
01:54:24,550 --> 01:54:22,480
that the first farmer's field is where

2912
01:54:26,229 --> 01:54:24,560
most of it took place or it's the one

2913
01:54:28,149 --> 01:54:26,239
where he went past kaiser across the

2914
01:54:30,870 --> 01:54:28,159
road went into the second field

2915
01:54:33,189 --> 01:54:30,880
and i think some of it did take place in

2916
01:54:35,109 --> 01:54:33,199
the first farmers field and then the

2917
01:54:36,390 --> 01:54:35,119
second farmer's field was where more

2918
01:54:38,390 --> 01:54:36,400
activity took place

2919
01:54:41,189 --> 01:54:38,400
but that's all explained in the tape

2920
01:54:43,830 --> 01:54:41,199
itself he describes it real time so you

2921
01:54:45,750 --> 01:54:43,840
need to listen to the tape itself to go

2922
01:54:46,790 --> 01:54:45,760
into what most of it took place on that

2923
01:54:50,310 --> 01:54:46,800
night

2924
01:54:52,149 --> 01:54:50,320
have all of your hypnosis uh i'll just

2925
01:54:53,830 --> 01:54:52,159
read the whole quest

2926
01:54:55,030 --> 01:54:53,840
your name is there i don't need to say

2927
01:54:57,669 --> 01:54:55,040
it but

2928
01:55:00,950 --> 01:54:57,679
uh is john keeping some of his hypnosis

2929
01:55:02,070 --> 01:55:00,960
sessions private or has it all been

2930
01:55:04,870 --> 01:55:02,080
released

2931
01:55:06,629 --> 01:55:04,880
oh no there's only been a brief clip of

2932
01:55:07,510 --> 01:55:06,639
the two different sessions that took

2933
01:55:09,990 --> 01:55:07,520
place

2934
01:55:13,189 --> 01:55:10,000
and those are pretty stunning and if you

2935
01:55:14,790 --> 01:55:13,199
watch them especially both of them but

2936
01:55:15,589 --> 01:55:14,800
the interesting thing on the first one

2937
01:55:19,669 --> 01:55:15,599
was

2938
01:55:21,830 --> 01:55:19,679
are

2939
01:55:24,550 --> 01:55:21,840
within the small clip that's been

2940
01:55:26,310 --> 01:55:24,560
released was it appears that i've

2941
01:55:28,629 --> 01:55:26,320
was able to have a conversation with

2942
01:55:31,109 --> 01:55:28,639
this after the fact which some people

2943
01:55:32,390 --> 01:55:31,119
call channeling but i had the ability

2944
01:55:34,229 --> 01:55:32,400
under hypnosis

2945
01:55:35,270 --> 01:55:34,239
to have an interaction with whatever we

2946
01:55:38,390 --> 01:55:35,280
dealt with

2947
01:55:40,790 --> 01:55:38,400
and that within this interaction it

2948
01:55:43,430 --> 01:55:40,800
comes out that that what we were seeing

2949
01:55:46,709 --> 01:55:43,440
was light but the light itself was

2950
01:55:48,390 --> 01:55:46,719
energy and it was the life form itself

2951
01:55:51,750 --> 01:55:48,400
i want to before i get back to the

2952
01:55:53,270 --> 01:55:51,760
questions uh you had mentioned to me

2953
01:55:54,470 --> 01:55:53,280
earlier today something that i didn't

2954
01:55:56,950 --> 01:55:54,480
know about

2955
01:55:59,270 --> 01:55:56,960
um but that uh

2956
01:56:01,910 --> 01:55:59,280
you and your son

2957
01:56:04,709 --> 01:56:01,920
recently had a dna test done

2958
01:56:07,109 --> 01:56:04,719
and the results are pretty now look i'm

2959
01:56:10,870 --> 01:56:07,119
going to tell everybody what my answer

2960
01:56:12,629 --> 01:56:10,880
uh my reaction was to john my answer was

2961
01:56:17,510 --> 01:56:12,639
what

2962
01:56:19,270 --> 01:56:17,520
okay so briefly um because this is an

2963
01:56:21,669 --> 01:56:19,280
ongoing situation

2964
01:56:24,629 --> 01:56:21,679
uh what happened with uh your son's dna

2965
01:56:26,790 --> 01:56:24,639
test well it i'll do it as briefly as i

2966
01:56:29,109 --> 01:56:26,800
can and i'll give you a summary of the

2967
01:56:30,550 --> 01:56:29,119
testing that was done but it all started

2968
01:56:33,270 --> 01:56:30,560
with the fact that when we did the

2969
01:56:35,910 --> 01:56:33,280
citizens hearing we did a briefing to

2970
01:56:38,310 --> 01:56:35,920
the ex-members of congress including my

2971
01:56:41,430 --> 01:56:38,320
records were classified uh my medical

2972
01:56:43,990 --> 01:56:41,440
records were classified um

2973
01:56:46,229 --> 01:56:44,000
form 214 was altered to say i wasn't in

2974
01:56:49,030 --> 01:56:46,239
the air force when the event took place

2975
01:56:51,430 --> 01:56:49,040
and then after this hearing a guy by the

2976
01:56:53,750 --> 01:56:51,440
name of dr green showed up

2977
01:56:56,550 --> 01:56:53,760
and contacted the attorney that was

2978
01:56:59,669 --> 01:56:56,560
working with us and gave him a briefing

2979
01:57:01,750 --> 01:56:59,679
and then came and visited myself me and

2980
01:57:03,990 --> 01:57:01,760
sedona brought my turning his wife out

2981
01:57:05,910 --> 01:57:04,000
who was an attorney and a nurse and gave

2982
01:57:07,589 --> 01:57:05,920
us a briefing on what they were looking

2983
01:57:10,070 --> 01:57:07,599
at what they wanted to do

2984
01:57:12,149 --> 01:57:10,080
with doing a d they were doing a dna

2985
01:57:14,470 --> 01:57:12,159
study on other individuals that have had

2986
01:57:15,990 --> 01:57:14,480
encounters besides myself and they were

2987
01:57:17,990 --> 01:57:16,000
going to take i think it was a hundred

2988
01:57:20,470 --> 01:57:18,000
people they wanted a hundred people that

2989
01:57:22,629 --> 01:57:20,480
had different encounters and do a dna

2990
01:57:24,709 --> 01:57:22,639
testing on that on top of the fact that

2991
01:57:26,149 --> 01:57:24,719
they were also doing a

2992
01:57:27,830 --> 01:57:26,159
mri

2993
01:57:29,990 --> 01:57:27,840
that could show

2994
01:57:31,910 --> 01:57:30,000
things in the brain that would identify

2995
01:57:33,990 --> 01:57:31,920
uh interaction with the phenomenon

2996
01:57:35,910 --> 01:57:34,000
itself too so those were the two things

2997
01:57:38,070 --> 01:57:35,920
that we're looking at and

2998
01:57:39,669 --> 01:57:38,080
when he came out and visited me and

2999
01:57:40,550 --> 01:57:39,679
there was another whole story behind

3000
01:57:41,430 --> 01:57:40,560
that

3001
01:57:43,589 --> 01:57:41,440
with

3002
01:57:45,189 --> 01:57:43,599
he wrote a confidential letter to the va

3003
01:57:47,270 --> 01:57:45,199
and department of defense and that got

3004
01:57:50,149 --> 01:57:47,280
me some of the treatment i needed and

3005
01:57:51,910 --> 01:57:50,159
and stuff and they they wanted my dna

3006
01:57:54,470 --> 01:57:51,920
for the study and i turned him down i

3007
01:57:57,030 --> 01:57:54,480
just told him no i was i wasn't gonna do

3008
01:58:00,070 --> 01:57:57,040
it i met with dr nolan who was head of

3009
01:58:02,390 --> 01:58:00,080
the program and out of stanford and

3010
01:58:03,990 --> 01:58:02,400
colin kelleher came down they tried to

3011
01:58:06,390 --> 01:58:04,000
get me to give my dna at the point i

3012
01:58:08,870 --> 01:58:06,400
wouldn't do it uh i finally got my

3013
01:58:10,149 --> 01:58:08,880
surgery i find out from john alexander

3014
01:58:12,149 --> 01:58:10,159
and i want to be clear about this

3015
01:58:14,870 --> 01:58:12,159
because people have gone after dr noland

3016
01:58:16,390 --> 01:58:14,880
about this dr nolan never stole my hold

3017
01:58:19,030 --> 01:58:16,400
on gary nolan

3018
01:58:21,830 --> 01:58:19,040
yes dr gary nolan got it okay go ahead

3019
01:58:24,310 --> 01:58:21,840
okay gary nolan never stole my dna the

3020
01:58:26,870 --> 01:58:24,320
the he never was involved in it what

3021
01:58:29,990 --> 01:58:26,880
john alexander told me which i was naive

3022
01:58:31,270 --> 01:58:30,000
about was when they did the surgery with

3023
01:58:33,350 --> 01:58:31,280
at the va

3024
01:58:35,350 --> 01:58:33,360
there i do have some records that show

3025
01:58:37,669 --> 01:58:35,360
that they drew some blood from me

3026
01:58:40,709 --> 01:58:37,679
that they did a testing on my dna that

3027
01:58:43,109 --> 01:58:40,719
way but they also got tissue so

3028
01:58:44,149 --> 01:58:43,119
all right so we sum it up they got my

3029
01:58:46,310 --> 01:58:44,159
dna

3030
01:58:48,629 --> 01:58:46,320
through the va through my surgery okay

3031
01:58:51,270 --> 01:58:48,639
alexander confirms this okay

3032
01:58:53,990 --> 01:58:51,280
then later on dr green kit green meets

3033
01:58:56,229 --> 01:58:54,000
me again comes and visits me in illinois

3034
01:58:58,310 --> 01:58:56,239
and he talks to me about some other

3035
01:59:00,470 --> 01:58:58,320
stuff including some things he wanted me

3036
01:59:03,109 --> 01:59:00,480
to start working on but he asked me

3037
01:59:05,270 --> 01:59:03,119
again for my dna sample and at that

3038
01:59:07,430 --> 01:59:05,280
point knowing what i already knew

3039
01:59:10,390 --> 01:59:07,440
and the fact that i had some evidence

3040
01:59:11,990 --> 01:59:10,400
that they already had something on me i

3041
01:59:14,870 --> 01:59:12,000
told them i would participate in their

3042
01:59:16,550 --> 01:59:14,880
study so i gave my dna for that but i

3043
01:59:20,149 --> 01:59:16,560
asked him for a favor and i said would

3044
01:59:23,030 --> 01:59:20,159
you run a dna sample on my son and i and

3045
01:59:25,109 --> 01:59:23,040
the reason was is i'm adopted so we had

3046
01:59:26,790 --> 01:59:25,119
a general idea because his fam you know

3047
01:59:29,350 --> 01:59:26,800
his mother's family tree and they'd done

3048
01:59:32,629 --> 01:59:29,360
all that i had no idea what my heritage

3049
01:59:35,350 --> 01:59:32,639
is so what happened was he agreed to

3050
01:59:37,990 --> 01:59:35,360
take our samples of my son's dna

3051
01:59:40,790 --> 01:59:38,000
and my dna and and have a lab in

3052
01:59:43,589 --> 01:59:40,800
pennsylvania run a test on it okay

3053
01:59:46,310 --> 01:59:43,599
and what i figured was i get back you

3054
01:59:48,870 --> 01:59:46,320
know i'm norwegian i'm this whatever and

3055
01:59:51,430 --> 01:59:48,880
you know and i get is sample what the

3056
01:59:53,830 --> 01:59:51,440
mixture of his mothers and mine and we'd

3057
01:59:56,149 --> 01:59:53,840
have a better idea and i get a phone

3058
01:59:57,589 --> 01:59:56,159
call about three months later and i get

3059
01:59:59,589 --> 01:59:57,599
told that

3060
02:00:00,870 --> 01:59:59,599
that my sons of mine dna are the two the

3061
02:00:03,990 --> 02:00:00,880
most unique

3062
02:00:05,669 --> 02:00:04,000
dna in in history or mankind right and

3063
02:00:06,470 --> 02:00:05,679
i'm like what

3064
02:00:08,070 --> 02:00:06,480
so

3065
02:00:09,990 --> 02:00:08,080
i get the reports

3066
02:00:11,030 --> 02:00:10,000
but what i'll give you is just a brief

3067
02:00:13,750 --> 02:00:11,040
summary

3068
02:00:14,870 --> 02:00:13,760
of an analysis and okay

3069
02:00:16,470 --> 02:00:14,880
all right

3070
02:00:18,870 --> 02:00:16,480
because they ended up doing a follow-up

3071
02:00:20,950 --> 02:00:18,880
with his mother's dna and this is what i

3072
02:00:22,470 --> 02:00:20,960
can tell you about what came back all

3073
02:00:24,709 --> 02:00:22,480
right

3074
02:00:27,030 --> 02:00:24,719
the stated the state of the art on the

3075
02:00:29,270 --> 02:00:27,040
subject says that john's son has a

3076
02:00:31,510 --> 02:00:29,280
mother with european heritage but the

3077
02:00:33,990 --> 02:00:31,520
heritage is still vaguely identified

3078
02:00:35,510 --> 02:00:34,000
england and belarus are completely

3079
02:00:37,270 --> 02:00:35,520
unknown okay

3080
02:00:41,189 --> 02:00:37,280
some of the j

3081
02:00:44,390 --> 02:00:41,199
hepa group has has been found among in

3082
02:00:46,950 --> 02:00:44,400
in his ash kanzinsky jew and in ancient

3083
02:00:49,109 --> 02:00:46,960
military middle eastern cemeteries as

3084
02:00:50,550 --> 02:00:49,119
well but does that that does not mean

3085
02:00:53,430 --> 02:00:50,560
that the pacific

3086
02:00:55,109 --> 02:00:53,440
mt dna profile in the report comes from

3087
02:00:57,030 --> 02:00:55,119
either heritage

3088
02:00:59,270 --> 02:00:57,040
there's another thing these tests done

3089
02:01:01,430 --> 02:00:59,280
by forensic labs are usually there to

3090
02:01:03,350 --> 02:01:01,440
determine paternity maternity ancestry

3091
02:01:06,470 --> 02:01:03,360
and other requirements of forensic

3092
02:01:09,030 --> 02:01:06,480
science so they focus on hr or v1 and

3093
02:01:11,270 --> 02:01:09,040
hrb2 the vast bulk of the genome is

3094
02:01:13,189 --> 02:01:11,280
usually not tested as it doesn't show

3095
02:01:15,750 --> 02:01:13,199
mutations which makes

3096
02:01:18,310 --> 02:01:15,760
typing it almost impossible however the

3097
02:01:20,790 --> 02:01:18,320
rest of the genome and i want to read

3098
02:01:22,629 --> 02:01:20,800
the rest of this is the genome known as

3099
02:01:25,030 --> 02:01:22,639
the coding region may have additional

3100
02:01:26,310 --> 02:01:25,040
information of interest and it just as i

3101
02:01:29,189 --> 02:01:26,320
just don't know who obtained these

3102
02:01:30,550 --> 02:01:29,199
databases so to sum it up

3103
02:01:32,550 --> 02:01:30,560
my son

3104
02:01:34,310 --> 02:01:32,560
is then no database that they can find

3105
02:01:35,350 --> 02:01:34,320
his dna

3106
02:01:36,470 --> 02:01:35,360
none

3107
02:01:40,470 --> 02:01:36,480
his mother

3108
02:01:43,589 --> 02:01:40,480
has a little bit of heritage which is

3109
02:01:46,709 --> 02:01:43,599
most of it's unknown because mytro or

3110
02:01:48,229 --> 02:01:46,719
mitochondrial dna and and my son is

3111
02:01:50,070 --> 02:01:48,239
mostly from the mother though their

3112
02:01:53,030 --> 02:01:50,080
studies now saying the father's mixed in

3113
02:01:54,550 --> 02:01:53,040
too but she has very little heritage

3114
02:01:57,750 --> 02:01:54,560
other than it may come from the middle

3115
02:02:00,229 --> 02:01:57,760
eastern and the jewish end and it's very

3116
02:02:02,790 --> 02:02:00,239
rare and it dates back to ancient times

3117
02:02:05,270 --> 02:02:02,800
my dna according to them is very ancient

3118
02:02:08,950 --> 02:02:05,280
back to ancient times and i've all i

3119
02:02:11,030 --> 02:02:08,960
have all like um native american dna

3120
02:02:13,669 --> 02:02:11,040
which at the time when i first was told

3121
02:02:15,990 --> 02:02:13,679
this i was like what i'm white but there

3122
02:02:18,790 --> 02:02:16,000
are studies out there that you could be

3123
02:02:22,790 --> 02:02:18,800
white but still have all heritage of

3124
02:02:24,390 --> 02:02:22,800
being of um native american or from the

3125
02:02:25,990 --> 02:02:24,400
other groups in

3126
02:02:27,430 --> 02:02:26,000
over in africa and stuff like that that

3127
02:02:28,709 --> 02:02:27,440
are all native

3128
02:02:32,950 --> 02:02:28,719
what do you

3129
02:02:35,430 --> 02:02:32,960
be clear here

3130
02:02:37,669 --> 02:02:35,440
that your son has no

3131
02:02:39,430 --> 02:02:37,679
heritage your son has no dna that that

3132
02:02:41,510 --> 02:02:39,440
doesn't make any sense

3133
02:02:43,189 --> 02:02:41,520
what i mean is he's not in any database

3134
02:02:44,790 --> 02:02:43,199
wait that doesn't make any sense is he

3135
02:02:46,870 --> 02:02:44,800
your son

3136
02:02:49,669 --> 02:02:46,880
no he's my son that's what i mean they

3137
02:02:51,189 --> 02:02:49,679
actually confirmed that

3138
02:02:53,910 --> 02:02:51,199
that his mother's the mother i'm the

3139
02:02:56,070 --> 02:02:53,920
father right but we have two

3140
02:02:58,390 --> 02:02:56,080
what what what they've said to me is

3141
02:02:59,589 --> 02:02:58,400
that both his mother and i's bloodlines

3142
02:03:01,270 --> 02:02:59,599
are so rare

3143
02:03:03,430 --> 02:03:01,280
what were the odds that we even came

3144
02:03:05,589 --> 02:03:03,440
together to have a child

3145
02:03:09,830 --> 02:03:05,599
that created

3146
02:03:11,589 --> 02:03:09,840
the dna his dna that's in no database

3147
02:03:14,870 --> 02:03:11,599
and and so

3148
02:03:16,470 --> 02:03:14,880
your shouldn't you know gary nolan you

3149
02:03:17,510 --> 02:03:16,480
know could explain something like this

3150
02:03:19,990 --> 02:03:17,520
or somebody that knows what they're

3151
02:03:23,990 --> 02:03:20,000
talking about i'm certainly not uh

3152
02:03:27,189 --> 02:03:24,000
uh any authority here but shouldn't your

3153
02:03:28,790 --> 02:03:27,199
and your your his mother your your wife

3154
02:03:30,790 --> 02:03:28,800
the or

3155
02:03:33,350 --> 02:03:30,800
shouldn't that dna

3156
02:03:35,669 --> 02:03:33,360
at the very least be present that

3157
02:03:37,910 --> 02:03:35,679
heritage your heritage be present in

3158
02:03:40,310 --> 02:03:37,920
your son's dna or am i missing something

3159
02:03:41,910 --> 02:03:40,320
here well that's my question and the

3160
02:03:43,350 --> 02:03:41,920
what i'm trying to get at is is what

3161
02:03:45,990 --> 02:03:43,360
they're saying is

3162
02:03:48,870 --> 02:03:46,000
that the mother's

3163
02:03:51,669 --> 02:03:48,880
the mitochondrial my son from the mother

3164
02:03:54,390 --> 02:03:51,679
is very vague most of it's unidentified

3165
02:03:58,229 --> 02:03:54,400
it's not identified in any dna base

3166
02:03:59,669 --> 02:03:58,239
and my son's dna is in no database so

3167
02:04:02,550 --> 02:03:59,679
whatever

3168
02:04:04,229 --> 02:04:02,560
genetics are in his dna there's no

3169
02:04:06,070 --> 02:04:04,239
nothing to compare it to how's that

3170
02:04:07,750 --> 02:04:06,080
possible well

3171
02:04:10,390 --> 02:04:07,760
they it's very rare

3172
02:04:12,470 --> 02:04:10,400
is your dna has it been altered

3173
02:04:13,830 --> 02:04:12,480
my well that's one of the questions that

3174
02:04:15,990 --> 02:04:13,840
you can't get a straight answer on and

3175
02:04:19,030 --> 02:04:16,000
what i mean by that is this is what

3176
02:04:20,709 --> 02:04:19,040
they're working on supposedly not just

3177
02:04:23,589 --> 02:04:20,719
with me but all the other people have

3178
02:04:26,310 --> 02:04:23,599
had encounters they're very vague on

3179
02:04:28,629 --> 02:04:26,320
whether the damage to the brain is from

3180
02:04:30,709 --> 02:04:28,639
the counter or if it's

3181
02:04:32,790 --> 02:04:30,719
prior to the encounter which leads to

3182
02:04:35,189 --> 02:04:32,800
the encounter they're very vague about

3183
02:04:36,790 --> 02:04:35,199
what they're they're looking at overall

3184
02:04:39,189 --> 02:04:36,800
with the dna

3185
02:04:41,350 --> 02:04:39,199
and what i do know i don't even try to

3186
02:04:42,550 --> 02:04:41,360
explain because i wouldn't probably do

3187
02:04:43,270 --> 02:04:42,560
it justice

3188
02:04:45,270 --> 02:04:43,280
but

3189
02:04:48,310 --> 02:04:45,280
what about your family john do you have

3190
02:04:50,390 --> 02:04:48,320
brothers sisters i i'm adopted i have no

3191
02:04:51,910 --> 02:04:50,400
i have no idea that's why i asked for

3192
02:04:53,270 --> 02:04:51,920
green to do it in the first place yeah i

3193
02:04:55,430 --> 02:04:53,280
know you're adopted but i mean do you

3194
02:04:57,750 --> 02:04:55,440
have brothers or i mean

3195
02:04:59,830 --> 02:04:57,760
do you know if you have family out there

3196
02:05:01,589 --> 02:04:59,840
i have no idea where anything about my

3197
02:05:02,950 --> 02:05:01,599
family okay i've never been able to

3198
02:05:04,709 --> 02:05:02,960
track them down i've never found

3199
02:05:07,669 --> 02:05:04,719
anything out about it and that was the

3200
02:05:09,669 --> 02:05:07,679
whole purpose of this was to

3201
02:05:10,790 --> 02:05:09,679
go and i didn't know the database was

3202
02:05:13,189 --> 02:05:10,800
gonna be done this stuff but it was

3203
02:05:15,830 --> 02:05:13,199
simply what's gonna come back on me so

3204
02:05:18,709 --> 02:05:15,840
where am i from and i'm from mostly

3205
02:05:20,550 --> 02:05:18,719
africa from middle east in that area

3206
02:05:23,030 --> 02:05:20,560
that's what little there is

3207
02:05:26,149 --> 02:05:23,040
and i'm in only one database and they

3208
02:05:28,229 --> 02:05:26,159
said that's mine they somehow know that

3209
02:05:29,589 --> 02:05:28,239
whatever the dna

3210
02:05:31,350 --> 02:05:29,599
that they

3211
02:05:33,589 --> 02:05:31,360
took from me was already been

3212
02:05:36,390 --> 02:05:33,599
pre-identified which means somebody else

3213
02:05:38,550 --> 02:05:36,400
had already tested my dna which leads

3214
02:05:41,589 --> 02:05:38,560
back to probably that's what alexander

3215
02:05:43,910 --> 02:05:41,599
told me was they took my dna when they

3216
02:05:46,070 --> 02:05:43,920
did my surgery and that was in the

3217
02:05:48,390 --> 02:05:46,080
database you know something something

3218
02:05:49,510 --> 02:05:48,400
smells here something's a little stinky

3219
02:05:52,070 --> 02:05:49,520
john

3220
02:05:53,910 --> 02:05:52,080
you know and i don't know what it is but

3221
02:05:56,229 --> 02:05:53,920
you're adopted and

3222
02:05:57,589 --> 02:05:56,239
so somebody with crazy dna that is

3223
02:05:59,589 --> 02:05:57,599
adopted

3224
02:06:01,030 --> 02:05:59,599
is present at

3225
02:06:04,229 --> 02:06:01,040
one of the

3226
02:06:07,830 --> 02:06:04,239
craziest ufo incidents in human history

3227
02:06:09,669 --> 02:06:07,840
that's that's way beyond coinciding here

3228
02:06:10,950 --> 02:06:09,679
well no there's no doubt there's all

3229
02:06:12,629 --> 02:06:10,960
kinds of strange things that have

3230
02:06:13,589 --> 02:06:12,639
happened different people i've met

3231
02:06:16,629 --> 02:06:13,599
different things that have been

3232
02:06:18,390 --> 02:06:16,639
presented to me uh just that dr green

3233
02:06:20,790 --> 02:06:18,400
showed up in the first place

3234
02:06:23,189 --> 02:06:20,800
uh some of the other people i met

3235
02:06:24,229 --> 02:06:23,199
you know with the whole thing the whole

3236
02:06:26,310 --> 02:06:24,239
study

3237
02:06:28,149 --> 02:06:26,320
um the whole to the stars thing because

3238
02:06:29,510 --> 02:06:28,159
one of the things that they're talking

3239
02:06:30,470 --> 02:06:29,520
about that they're going to come out

3240
02:06:32,629 --> 02:06:30,480
with is

3241
02:06:35,510 --> 02:06:32,639
and it has been somewhat released now

3242
02:06:36,950 --> 02:06:35,520
that that the harry reid stuff really a

3243
02:06:39,030 --> 02:06:36,960
lot of that funding went towards

3244
02:06:41,030 --> 02:06:39,040
skinwalker ranch itself and the research

3245
02:06:43,430 --> 02:06:41,040
went on and they actually did bring

3246
02:06:45,350 --> 02:06:43,440
special ops in some of those guys had an

3247
02:06:47,669 --> 02:06:45,360
encounter with what was ever there and

3248
02:06:49,669 --> 02:06:47,679
it caused effects on them there's been

3249
02:06:52,310 --> 02:06:49,679
other incidents that haven't been made

3250
02:06:54,470 --> 02:06:52,320
public that are still classified that

3251
02:06:57,030 --> 02:06:54,480
guys have been injured by and had weird

3252
02:06:59,830 --> 02:06:57,040
things happen even afterwards and that

3253
02:07:00,870 --> 02:06:59,840
these because these these guys aren't

3254
02:07:02,470 --> 02:07:00,880
you know

3255
02:07:03,589 --> 02:07:02,480
out there and these programs are out

3256
02:07:06,390 --> 02:07:03,599
there they're having trouble getting

3257
02:07:08,310 --> 02:07:06,400
them treatment so one of their goals is

3258
02:07:10,390 --> 02:07:08,320
that they interviewed me and they want

3259
02:07:12,950 --> 02:07:10,400
to put this out and they want to force

3260
02:07:14,310 --> 02:07:12,960
congress if not publicly all the time

3261
02:07:15,910 --> 02:07:14,320
necessary with all the things that have

3262
02:07:17,430 --> 02:07:15,920
happened but they want to start getting

3263
02:07:19,510 --> 02:07:17,440
some of these other people treatment and

3264
02:07:21,990 --> 02:07:19,520
care and then also some of these people

3265
02:07:24,550 --> 02:07:22,000
have already died from their encounters

3266
02:07:26,390 --> 02:07:24,560
now uh i'm free to ask whatever i want

3267
02:07:28,950 --> 02:07:26,400
right you can deny

3268
02:07:31,030 --> 02:07:28,960
right okay are we clear on that yeah

3269
02:07:31,830 --> 02:07:31,040
okay good but i'm gonna go there right

3270
02:07:35,109 --> 02:07:31,840
now

3271
02:07:36,870 --> 02:07:35,119
um it has been alleged that there may

3272
02:07:38,470 --> 02:07:36,880
have been uh

3273
02:07:41,990 --> 02:07:38,480
physical debris

3274
02:07:42,790 --> 02:07:42,000
uh retrieved from the incident that may

3275
02:07:43,990 --> 02:07:42,800
be

3276
02:07:47,510 --> 02:07:44,000
right now

3277
02:07:49,830 --> 02:07:47,520
being analyzed by possibly

3278
02:07:51,750 --> 02:07:49,840
i need your clarification if you can uh

3279
02:07:53,270 --> 02:07:51,760
to the stars

3280
02:07:56,149 --> 02:07:53,280
right and that's the thing that's

3281
02:07:58,229 --> 02:07:56,159
happening with the stars um when i when

3282
02:07:59,030 --> 02:07:58,239
i got contacted and was interviewed it

3283
02:08:00,950 --> 02:07:59,040
was

3284
02:08:03,750 --> 02:08:00,960
supposed to kind of stay quiet and then

3285
02:08:05,669 --> 02:08:03,760
they interviewed the lady from

3286
02:08:08,229 --> 02:08:05,679
mccain's office and she was allowed to

3287
02:08:09,589 --> 02:08:08,239
talk about it and then alexander came

3288
02:08:12,149 --> 02:08:09,599
out and said reynolds going to be a

3289
02:08:14,149 --> 02:08:12,159
focal point de long released some papers

3290
02:08:16,550 --> 02:08:14,159
that showed that they had some material

3291
02:08:18,470 --> 02:08:16,560
from rendelstrom that was being analyzed

3292
02:08:20,629 --> 02:08:18,480
then the stuff i sent you from ronnie

3293
02:08:23,589 --> 02:08:20,639
dugdale that he had given to him it

3294
02:08:25,189 --> 02:08:23,599
appears that's been turned over a sample

3295
02:08:27,109 --> 02:08:25,199
has been turned over to be analyzed it's

3296
02:08:28,870 --> 02:08:27,119
got bismuth in it which is one of the

3297
02:08:31,350 --> 02:08:28,880
things that lindamal and hal got from

3298
02:08:33,270 --> 02:08:31,360
roswell right so there's some stuff

3299
02:08:35,430 --> 02:08:33,280
there now one of the things that could

3300
02:08:37,589 --> 02:08:35,440
be the first part was that gabriel came

3301
02:08:39,189 --> 02:08:37,599
in and a team did come in afterwards and

3302
02:08:41,189 --> 02:08:39,199
gabriel came in shortly afterwards and

3303
02:08:42,790 --> 02:08:41,199
took everything involving reynolds from

3304
02:08:45,510 --> 02:08:42,800
and hall even said there were samples

3305
02:08:47,910 --> 02:08:45,520
taken and stuff recovered that he didn't

3306
02:08:49,750 --> 02:08:47,920
really specify what was recovered other

3307
02:08:51,510 --> 02:08:49,760
than samples were taken and that was

3308
02:08:53,109 --> 02:08:51,520
taken away by gabriel so maybe some of

3309
02:08:55,350 --> 02:08:53,119
that's been turned over

3310
02:08:57,430 --> 02:08:55,360
is there a chain of is there a chain of

3311
02:08:58,870 --> 02:08:57,440
command between two of the stars all the

3312
02:09:00,390 --> 02:08:58,880
way back to rendelsham with this

3313
02:09:02,870 --> 02:09:00,400
material that it did come from

3314
02:09:04,550 --> 02:09:02,880
rendelsham

3315
02:09:05,669 --> 02:09:04,560
well that's another whole story in

3316
02:09:06,629 --> 02:09:05,679
itself

3317
02:09:09,589 --> 02:09:06,639
jimmy

3318
02:09:12,229 --> 02:09:09,599
because richard dodie's come out and and

3319
02:09:14,470 --> 02:09:12,239
said because he's tied to kirkland and

3320
02:09:17,109 --> 02:09:14,480
that whole incident and some other stuff

3321
02:09:20,470 --> 02:09:17,119
and he was osi and he he's seen the

3322
02:09:21,910 --> 02:09:20,480
report on randallstrom and he's re

3323
02:09:23,750 --> 02:09:21,920
revealed some stuff that he saw in the

3324
02:09:25,750 --> 02:09:23,760
report that no one it never was made

3325
02:09:29,669 --> 02:09:25,760
public that i was aware of so he's seen

3326
02:09:31,350 --> 02:09:29,679
something and he says that no doubt that

3327
02:09:34,229 --> 02:09:31,360
not only was the nsa involved but the

3328
02:09:37,030 --> 02:09:34,239
cia were involved and he implicated that

3329
02:09:40,149 --> 02:09:37,040
dr greene was involved from the

3330
02:09:42,390 --> 02:09:40,159
beginning of rental shame going forward

3331
02:09:44,390 --> 02:09:42,400
based on what was going on

3332
02:09:45,669 --> 02:09:44,400
so yeah there's all kinds of

3333
02:09:48,229 --> 02:09:45,679
implications

3334
02:09:50,069 --> 02:09:48,239
you know you almost just you almost just

3335
02:09:52,069 --> 02:09:50,079
took the wind out of the sails of this

3336
02:09:53,109 --> 02:09:52,079
entire thing when you bring up richard

3337
02:09:54,870 --> 02:09:53,119
dodie

3338
02:09:56,390 --> 02:09:54,880
um and and you know what i'm talking

3339
02:09:58,629 --> 02:09:56,400
about here you don't yeah it was your

3340
02:10:00,550 --> 02:09:58,639
disinformation right right

3341
02:10:02,470 --> 02:10:00,560
yeah right and

3342
02:10:04,629 --> 02:10:02,480
but he's bringing up kit green and fault

3343
02:10:06,470 --> 02:10:04,639
with renison from the beginning cia and

3344
02:10:08,149 --> 02:10:06,480
nsa were involved

3345
02:10:10,229 --> 02:10:08,159
you almost with dota you got to flip it

3346
02:10:11,750 --> 02:10:10,239
over 180 degrees and now you have the

3347
02:10:13,270 --> 02:10:11,760
truth yeah but here's the thing though

3348
02:10:15,270 --> 02:10:13,280
there's two things about this though

3349
02:10:16,709 --> 02:10:15,280
that are interesting number one he knew

3350
02:10:19,189 --> 02:10:16,719
about stuff that never had been gone

3351
02:10:21,189 --> 02:10:19,199
public right so he knows something right

3352
02:10:23,669 --> 02:10:21,199
and number two the agents that were

3353
02:10:25,750 --> 02:10:23,679
involved he gave he actually had an

3354
02:10:27,669 --> 02:10:25,760
interaction with them okay

3355
02:10:30,310 --> 02:10:27,679
and halt confirmed that these agents

3356
02:10:33,189 --> 02:10:30,320
were there and they gave me a brief

3357
02:10:35,270 --> 02:10:33,199
synopsis of what went on and then when

3358
02:10:37,750 --> 02:10:35,280
all this hit the fan this would have

3359
02:10:38,870 --> 02:10:37,760
been back about six seven months ago

3360
02:10:40,550 --> 02:10:38,880
then all of a sudden they came back

3361
02:10:42,470 --> 02:10:40,560
because i was going to get in and get to

3362
02:10:45,109 --> 02:10:42,480
meet with them and they said that the

3363
02:10:48,310 --> 02:10:45,119
reports now been pulled and is being

3364
02:10:50,550 --> 02:10:48,320
used and being reviewed by congress and

3365
02:10:52,629 --> 02:10:50,560
that they no longer are allowed to

3366
02:10:55,030 --> 02:10:52,639
discuss this further with anybody and

3367
02:10:57,270 --> 02:10:55,040
that they've been they have had to brief

3368
02:10:59,830 --> 02:10:57,280
some people inside

3369
02:11:01,350 --> 02:10:59,840
congress about the whole incident itself

3370
02:11:03,030 --> 02:11:01,360
okay let's take a break right here we're

3371
02:11:03,990 --> 02:11:03,040
going to head into overtime i have

3372
02:11:05,669 --> 02:11:04,000
another

3373
02:11:07,270 --> 02:11:05,679
i don't know how we did it john we ran

3374
02:11:10,709 --> 02:11:07,280
out of time again

3375
02:11:12,310 --> 02:11:10,719
i've got uh 25 or 30 questions here so

3376
02:11:14,629 --> 02:11:12,320
we're gonna come back we're gonna go

3377
02:11:16,870 --> 02:11:14,639
rapid fire okay and we'll get we'll get

3378
02:11:19,750 --> 02:11:16,880
all of it done this is fade to black our

3379
02:11:22,310 --> 02:11:19,760
guest tonight john burroughs putting a

3380
02:11:24,390 --> 02:11:22,320
fork in rendell shim the last word this

3381
02:11:27,109 --> 02:11:24,400
is fade to black i'm yours jimmy church

3382
02:11:29,669 --> 02:11:27,119
john burroughs is not on twitter but i

3383
02:11:31,910 --> 02:11:29,679
am and you can follow me at j church

3384
02:11:33,589 --> 02:11:31,920
radio i'll be right back to finish up

3385
02:11:35,120 --> 02:11:33,599
the night with john burroughs stay with

3386
02:12:00,629 --> 02:11:35,130
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3387
02:12:03,430 --> 02:12:00,639
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[Music]

3472
02:16:24,470 --> 02:16:22,950
all right welcome back to fade to black

3473
02:16:26,390 --> 02:16:24,480
our guest tonight john burroughs going

3474
02:16:27,830 --> 02:16:26,400
straight into overtime

3475
02:16:29,910 --> 02:16:27,840
and i'm going to get to things as quick

3476
02:16:32,309 --> 02:16:29,920
as possible we've got a lot of questions

3477
02:16:34,790 --> 02:16:32,319
here posted from all of you of getting

3478
02:16:36,469 --> 02:16:34,800
them via email and twitter

3479
02:16:38,549 --> 02:16:36,479
and so we're going to get straight to it

3480
02:16:40,230 --> 02:16:38,559
john and let's uh

3481
02:16:41,830 --> 02:16:40,240
let's see if we can get through these as

3482
02:16:44,950 --> 02:16:41,840
quick as possible

3483
02:16:47,110 --> 02:16:44,960
uh here we go question uh next question

3484
02:16:50,389 --> 02:16:47,120
i should say about randall shim did

3485
02:16:52,629 --> 02:16:50,399
colonel halt ever threaten you as he did

3486
02:16:55,429 --> 02:16:52,639
during production of the larry king

3487
02:17:00,549 --> 02:16:57,589
he's never threatened me but

3488
02:17:02,549 --> 02:17:00,559
he's made it clear that he's more

3489
02:17:05,669 --> 02:17:02,559
along the lines of

3490
02:17:07,110 --> 02:17:05,679
he wants to protect whatever happened on

3491
02:17:09,589 --> 02:17:07,120
that third night

3492
02:17:11,750 --> 02:17:09,599
and that he also

3493
02:17:13,429 --> 02:17:11,760
doesn't like the fact that i continue to

3494
02:17:14,389 --> 02:17:13,439
challenge different things and ask

3495
02:17:17,110 --> 02:17:14,399
questions

3496
02:17:18,950 --> 02:17:17,120
so not directly threaten me but he's not

3497
02:17:20,549 --> 02:17:18,960
happy with some of the things that i've

3498
02:17:23,429 --> 02:17:20,559
uncovered or done

3499
02:17:24,870 --> 02:17:23,439
so that's the best way to put that and

3500
02:17:26,870 --> 02:17:24,880
let's see

3501
02:17:28,389 --> 02:17:26,880
next did okay

3502
02:17:30,309 --> 02:17:28,399
again some of these are a little bit

3503
02:17:32,469 --> 02:17:30,319
repetitive but uh you know for

3504
02:17:35,110 --> 02:17:32,479
clarification let's just do this did

3505
02:17:37,349 --> 02:17:35,120
john see the wicking eye light floating

3506
02:17:40,309 --> 02:17:37,359
and weaving through the forest and how

3507
02:17:42,870 --> 02:17:40,319
could that have been faked

3508
02:17:45,349 --> 02:17:42,880
uh no i didn't and it would necessarily

3509
02:17:47,509 --> 02:17:45,359
didn't have to be faked but again like i

3510
02:17:49,669 --> 02:17:47,519
talked about earlier james world we've

3511
02:17:51,669 --> 02:17:49,679
uncovered james and i've done some

3512
02:17:53,270 --> 02:17:51,679
research and work i know with others too

3513
02:17:55,830 --> 02:17:53,280
that we've uncovered that we actually

3514
02:17:57,589 --> 02:17:55,840
did have technology even back then that

3515
02:18:00,070 --> 02:17:57,599
we were working on that could explain

3516
02:18:02,309 --> 02:18:00,080
some of what we saw and what took place

3517
02:18:06,070 --> 02:18:02,319
would you please ask john what he saw in

3518
02:18:08,950 --> 02:18:06,080
his dreams after the experience

3519
02:18:11,190 --> 02:18:08,960
um i've never really had any really

3520
02:18:15,270 --> 02:18:11,200
major dreams about the experience but

3521
02:18:16,870 --> 02:18:15,280
others have peniston has had had has had

3522
02:18:18,870 --> 02:18:16,880
problems over the years with dreams

3523
02:18:21,270 --> 02:18:18,880
that's why he went under hypnosis

3524
02:18:23,429 --> 02:18:21,280
and adrian bustinza's had a lot of

3525
02:18:25,669 --> 02:18:23,439
dreams about it itself

3526
02:18:27,429 --> 02:18:25,679
okay let's uh shift over to night three

3527
02:18:29,509 --> 02:18:27,439
after john's incident where he and

3528
02:18:31,429 --> 02:18:29,519
adrian bestenza were allowed by colonel

3529
02:18:34,230 --> 02:18:31,439
hall to go forward

3530
02:18:36,629 --> 02:18:34,240
were their lights flying about at that

3531
02:18:40,870 --> 02:18:38,709
yeah there was there was there was the

3532
02:18:42,629 --> 02:18:40,880
orangish hue that came down

3533
02:18:45,030 --> 02:18:42,639
and i do remember

3534
02:18:46,629 --> 02:18:45,040
again seeing some of the well actually

3535
02:18:48,629 --> 02:18:46,639
the first night i didn't really remember

3536
02:18:50,389 --> 02:18:48,639
the blue lights when we got close to it

3537
02:18:52,309 --> 02:18:50,399
but on the third night there was

3538
02:18:53,750 --> 02:18:52,319
definitely some blue lights around

3539
02:18:54,709 --> 02:18:53,760
whatever this was

3540
02:18:57,509 --> 02:18:54,719
did you

3541
02:18:59,429 --> 02:18:57,519
set off to investigate one of these

3542
02:19:02,070 --> 02:18:59,439
lights remember i'm reading this as it's

3543
02:19:04,549 --> 02:19:02,080
typed okay everybody okay did they set

3544
02:19:06,790 --> 02:19:04,559
off to investigate one of these

3545
02:19:08,950 --> 02:19:06,800
lights as they witnessed descend into

3546
02:19:11,190 --> 02:19:08,960
the forest or did they just go to

3547
02:19:13,830 --> 02:19:11,200
investigate the first night's landing

3548
02:19:15,030 --> 02:19:13,840
site as colonel halt has recently

3549
02:19:19,429 --> 02:19:15,040
claimed

3550
02:19:21,110 --> 02:19:19,439
out there to look at the other site but

3551
02:19:23,589 --> 02:19:21,120
what started the whole thing was when

3552
02:19:24,709 --> 02:19:23,599
england showed up at the christmas party

3553
02:19:26,549 --> 02:19:24,719
and told

3554
02:19:29,030 --> 02:19:26,559
um conrad

3555
02:19:31,830 --> 02:19:29,040
and uh ziggler that the lights were back

3556
02:19:33,830 --> 02:19:31,840
again and that's when conrad sent hal

3557
02:19:35,349 --> 02:19:33,840
according to halt out into the forest to

3558
02:19:37,750 --> 02:19:35,359
find out what they were seeing that

3559
02:19:39,589 --> 02:19:37,760
night and then also part of what they

3560
02:19:41,990 --> 02:19:39,599
wanted to do was look at the first night

3561
02:19:43,990 --> 02:19:42,000
yeah halt was at the christmas party too

3562
02:19:48,150 --> 02:19:44,000
he had to split he was told to go and

3563
02:19:51,190 --> 02:19:48,160
investigate okay right uh let's see did

3564
02:19:53,830 --> 02:19:51,200
john see the light in the field beyond

3565
02:19:56,950 --> 02:19:53,840
the force that had allegedly burst into

3566
02:19:58,389 --> 02:19:56,960
multiple objects that shot into the sky

3567
02:20:00,389 --> 02:19:58,399
nope that was colonel hall that was

3568
02:20:03,750 --> 02:20:00,399
prior to me going out there

3569
02:20:06,150 --> 02:20:03,760
was john what is john's opinion and this

3570
02:20:08,389 --> 02:20:06,160
is good rapid fire right what is john's

3571
02:20:10,630 --> 02:20:08,399
opinion on the binary code that came out

3572
02:20:13,270 --> 02:20:10,640
many years later was it a suppressed

3573
02:20:14,870 --> 02:20:13,280
memory by peniston or was it something

3574
02:20:15,990 --> 02:20:14,880
else

3575
02:20:17,270 --> 02:20:16,000
the only thing i'm going to say about

3576
02:20:19,030 --> 02:20:17,280
the binary for now because they're

3577
02:20:21,670 --> 02:20:19,040
getting ready to put a buck out on this

3578
02:20:24,389 --> 02:20:21,680
so i'll let them explain it

3579
02:20:28,550 --> 02:20:24,399
is that in the hypnosis back i think it

3580
02:20:30,550 --> 02:20:28,560
was in 94. peniston did go talk about

3581
02:20:32,630 --> 02:20:30,560
having some kind of binary and being

3582
02:20:35,110 --> 02:20:32,640
interrogated and

3583
02:20:35,910 --> 02:20:35,120
as far as the binary itself

3584
02:20:38,550 --> 02:20:35,920
there's

3585
02:20:41,349 --> 02:20:38,560
it didn't come out to the 30-year mark

3586
02:20:43,429 --> 02:20:41,359
and there's discrepancies on why it

3587
02:20:45,429 --> 02:20:43,439
didn't come out and all that so the best

3588
02:20:48,230 --> 02:20:45,439
thing i would tell them is this

3589
02:20:51,349 --> 02:20:48,240
or if you want to know read the book and

3590
02:20:54,150 --> 02:20:51,359
then ask them about the binary because i

3591
02:20:56,230 --> 02:20:54,160
have questions and i don't feel totally

3592
02:20:58,309 --> 02:20:56,240
comfortable with it myself but at the

3593
02:21:01,030 --> 02:20:58,319
same time you can't rule out the fact

3594
02:21:02,950 --> 02:21:01,040
that under hypnosis before you ever talk

3595
02:21:04,950 --> 02:21:02,960
about the binary it did come out there

3596
02:21:07,429 --> 02:21:04,960
was binary involved do you have

3597
02:21:09,030 --> 02:21:07,439
flashbacks today

3598
02:21:12,790 --> 02:21:09,040
to the incident

3599
02:21:16,150 --> 02:21:14,230
yeah i mean

3600
02:21:17,510 --> 02:21:16,160
what does that kind of question mean to

3601
02:21:19,910 --> 02:21:17,520
you

3602
02:21:21,190 --> 02:21:19,920
well i i guess it could be all kinds of

3603
02:21:25,270 --> 02:21:21,200
things do i

3604
02:21:28,469 --> 02:21:25,280
do i like have ptsd from it do i have

3605
02:21:29,670 --> 02:21:28,479
dreams issues and no i never really

3606
02:21:31,270 --> 02:21:29,680
had that

3607
02:21:34,630 --> 02:21:31,280
that

3608
02:21:36,309 --> 02:21:34,640
they have you don't wake up in the

3609
02:21:38,630 --> 02:21:36,319
middle of the night in a cold sweat and

3610
02:21:40,230 --> 02:21:38,640
pulling uh well i've had i've woke up

3611
02:21:43,750 --> 02:21:40,240
covered in sweat and different things

3612
02:21:46,389 --> 02:21:43,760
like that but it's not directly tied to

3613
02:21:49,190 --> 02:21:46,399
me having to dream about

3614
02:21:50,870 --> 02:21:49,200
what happened that night

3615
02:21:53,429 --> 02:21:50,880
this uh

3616
02:21:55,349 --> 02:21:53,439
the other part about this what i was

3617
02:21:57,349 --> 02:21:55,359
going to say was you don't reach into

3618
02:21:59,830 --> 02:21:57,359
your nightstand for your nine millimeter

3619
02:22:01,349 --> 02:21:59,840
right for your glock in a cold sweat

3620
02:22:07,190 --> 02:22:01,359
were you ever

3621
02:22:09,349 --> 02:22:07,200
no that was one of the things that we

3622
02:22:10,230 --> 02:22:09,359
were curious about from the beginning

3623
02:22:11,750 --> 02:22:10,240
was

3624
02:22:13,349 --> 02:22:11,760
that um

3625
02:22:15,830 --> 02:22:13,359
why we weren't

3626
02:22:17,990 --> 02:22:15,840
looked at medically according you know

3627
02:22:21,190 --> 02:22:18,000
to what we remember but then

3628
02:22:23,670 --> 02:22:21,200
there was a an airman that was involved

3629
02:22:26,469 --> 02:22:23,680
from a different squadron that does

3630
02:22:27,429 --> 02:22:26,479
remember us being hauled away

3631
02:22:29,590 --> 02:22:27,439
on

3632
02:22:31,030 --> 02:22:29,600
the the couple different nights and

3633
02:22:33,270 --> 02:22:31,040
there was some people there that were

3634
02:22:35,349 --> 02:22:33,280
checking us but i don't remember that

3635
02:22:37,270 --> 02:22:35,359
but they and airmen did come forward and

3636
02:22:42,070 --> 02:22:37,280
say that did take place

3637
02:22:44,710 --> 02:22:42,080
okay next up let's see here uh two two

3638
02:22:45,830 --> 02:22:44,720
two two

3639
02:22:49,429 --> 02:22:45,840
uh

3640
02:22:52,150 --> 02:22:49,439
how far from the staging area did he and

3641
02:22:54,950 --> 02:22:52,160
adrian venture and did any of colonel

3642
02:22:57,349 --> 02:22:54,960
halt's party follow them

3643
02:23:00,150 --> 02:22:57,359
well i'm not really sure how far we went

3644
02:23:03,270 --> 02:23:00,160
but it was it was we went into a pretty

3645
02:23:05,510 --> 02:23:03,280
good run so it was probably you know

3646
02:23:07,750 --> 02:23:05,520
three or four football fields at least

3647
02:23:09,990 --> 02:23:07,760
and that's what i'm saying halt

3648
02:23:11,990 --> 02:23:10,000
i i guarantee you would have followed us

3649
02:23:13,910 --> 02:23:12,000
you know he would have saw the object

3650
02:23:15,349 --> 02:23:13,920
sauce going towards it now hall claims

3651
02:23:17,190 --> 02:23:15,359
he could see us the whole time and he

3652
02:23:19,270 --> 02:23:17,200
didn't really think anything happened

3653
02:23:21,429 --> 02:23:19,280
but um

3654
02:23:23,990 --> 02:23:21,439
there's no doubt he tracked what was

3655
02:23:26,710 --> 02:23:24,000
going on and and that's what he's been

3656
02:23:28,469 --> 02:23:26,720
covering forever whatever he saw take

3657
02:23:30,389 --> 02:23:28,479
place with us he didn't even want to

3658
02:23:32,070 --> 02:23:30,399
admit we were there let alone talk about

3659
02:23:34,309 --> 02:23:32,080
what he saw happen

3660
02:23:36,150 --> 02:23:34,319
did you ever look over your shoulder

3661
02:23:37,990 --> 02:23:36,160
you know i'm sure that there were

3662
02:23:40,230 --> 02:23:38,000
flashlights and and things that

3663
02:23:41,910 --> 02:23:40,240
everybody had did you ever look over

3664
02:23:42,870 --> 02:23:41,920
your shoulder to see if you were being

3665
02:23:43,590 --> 02:23:42,880
followed

3666
02:23:44,630 --> 02:23:43,600
no

3667
02:23:45,670 --> 02:23:44,640
okay

3668
02:23:50,710 --> 02:23:45,680
uh

3669
02:23:54,950 --> 02:23:52,550
what is john's recollection of what

3670
02:23:57,429 --> 02:23:54,960
happened next were colonel halt's party

3671
02:23:58,790 --> 02:23:57,439
still at the staging area when you

3672
02:24:00,550 --> 02:23:58,800
returned

3673
02:24:02,630 --> 02:24:00,560
that's what i said earlier adrian and i

3674
02:24:04,630 --> 02:24:02,640
both don't have much of a memory other

3675
02:24:07,030 --> 02:24:04,640
than i remember looking back at him i

3676
02:24:08,790 --> 02:24:07,040
remember we kind of started heading back

3677
02:24:11,110 --> 02:24:08,800
and then we don't have much memory at

3678
02:24:13,510 --> 02:24:11,120
all of what took place from that point

3679
02:24:15,590 --> 02:24:13,520
until the next day now would you call

3680
02:24:17,670 --> 02:24:15,600
that memory loss then

3681
02:24:20,870 --> 02:24:17,680
yeah i mean i i don't understand i mean

3682
02:24:22,870 --> 02:24:20,880
i can remember certain parts of it um or

3683
02:24:25,030 --> 02:24:22,880
i remember vaguely some and hypnosis

3684
02:24:25,990 --> 02:24:25,040
seemed to reinforce it and go into more

3685
02:24:28,469 --> 02:24:26,000
detail

3686
02:24:30,790 --> 02:24:28,479
but yeah there are there are gaps there

3687
02:24:32,230 --> 02:24:30,800
are gaps that i can't explain i can

3688
02:24:33,990 --> 02:24:32,240
remember things that happened to me all

3689
02:24:35,429 --> 02:24:34,000
through my military career but one of

3690
02:24:37,830 --> 02:24:35,439
the most important nights the things i

3691
02:24:39,270 --> 02:24:37,840
just can't remember now uh and staying

3692
02:24:41,590 --> 02:24:39,280
on this before i get back to the

3693
02:24:43,990 --> 02:24:41,600
questions when you went home

3694
02:24:45,590 --> 02:24:44,000
after that uh you know the third night

3695
02:24:47,429 --> 02:24:45,600
with pustinza

3696
02:24:48,870 --> 02:24:47,439
did you do your memories pick up from

3697
02:24:50,389 --> 02:24:48,880
there do you remember going to bed do

3698
02:24:52,950 --> 02:24:50,399
you remember taking off your clothes do

3699
02:24:55,429 --> 02:24:52,960
you remember everything solid after that

3700
02:24:56,550 --> 02:24:55,439
well on bestenz's night the first memory

3701
02:24:59,349 --> 02:24:56,560
i have

3702
02:25:01,190 --> 02:24:59,359
was in the early evening i was standing

3703
02:25:03,190 --> 02:25:01,200
at the post office

3704
02:25:06,230 --> 02:25:03,200
and i watched the c5 come in from

3705
02:25:08,070 --> 02:25:06,240
langley go back to the restricted area

3706
02:25:09,990 --> 02:25:08,080
and then i remember going home and then

3707
02:25:11,590 --> 02:25:10,000
going down to penis's house to talk to

3708
02:25:14,070 --> 02:25:11,600
him about what happened

3709
02:25:15,590 --> 02:25:14,080
that on the saturday night and then

3710
02:25:17,110 --> 02:25:15,600
figure out how when we were going to go

3711
02:25:19,830 --> 02:25:17,120
to work on monday what time we were

3712
02:25:22,710 --> 02:25:19,840
leaving so i don't have any memory and

3713
02:25:24,550 --> 02:25:22,720
neither does adrian he does not have

3714
02:25:25,670 --> 02:25:24,560
very little of any memory of what

3715
02:25:28,630 --> 02:25:25,680
happened

3716
02:25:30,550 --> 02:25:28,640
from that point going forward next up i

3717
02:25:32,630 --> 02:25:30,560
have heard that colonel halt was angry

3718
02:25:35,590 --> 02:25:32,640
that john and his other men might have

3719
02:25:38,630 --> 02:25:35,600
been messed with by intelligence agents

3720
02:25:41,590 --> 02:25:38,640
using drugs in a debrief jimmy please

3721
02:25:46,070 --> 02:25:41,600
ask john if there's any truth to this

3722
02:25:47,590 --> 02:25:46,080
if so is mk ultra related perhaps

3723
02:25:51,190 --> 02:25:47,600
well okay

3724
02:25:53,750 --> 02:25:51,200
the first part is hall is basically

3725
02:25:56,710 --> 02:25:53,760
said second-hand stuff about us being

3726
02:25:58,150 --> 02:25:56,720
debriefed and that comes from

3727
02:26:00,630 --> 02:25:58,160
like some of the different things that

3728
02:26:02,790 --> 02:26:00,640
like warren bustinza

3729
02:26:04,870 --> 02:26:02,800
talked about it uh penniston didn't talk

3730
02:26:07,110 --> 02:26:04,880
about it until after his hypnosis

3731
02:26:09,110 --> 02:26:07,120
because he remembers going into osi

3732
02:26:11,590 --> 02:26:09,120
briefly writing his statement talking to

3733
02:26:13,830 --> 02:26:11,600
him about it and then only in hypnosis

3734
02:26:14,710 --> 02:26:13,840
did he remember that more things took

3735
02:26:17,270 --> 02:26:14,720
place

3736
02:26:19,750 --> 02:26:17,280
and and i've called hall on that

3737
02:26:22,150 --> 02:26:19,760
and he basically

3738
02:26:24,710 --> 02:26:22,160
when it got serious with this osi report

3739
02:26:26,070 --> 02:26:24,720
supposedly surfacing um and one other

3740
02:26:26,950 --> 02:26:26,080
thing jimmy i don't know if you're aware

3741
02:26:29,110 --> 02:26:26,960
of but

3742
02:26:31,429 --> 02:26:29,120
i'm not going to be able to tell you who

3743
02:26:33,670 --> 02:26:31,439
but there's a second person that was

3744
02:26:35,750 --> 02:26:33,680
involved in this incident that it's got

3745
02:26:37,830 --> 02:26:35,760
compensation from the department of

3746
02:26:40,389 --> 02:26:37,840
defense for the incident and you know

3747
02:26:42,230 --> 02:26:40,399
this as fact yes i know this is fact i

3748
02:26:42,950 --> 02:26:42,240
was involved in helping that person get

3749
02:26:43,750 --> 02:26:42,960
it

3750
02:26:45,990 --> 02:26:43,760
and

3751
02:26:49,110 --> 02:26:46,000
that was one of the things that was

3752
02:26:51,670 --> 02:26:49,120
being asked about based on the evidence

3753
02:26:53,670 --> 02:26:51,680
that the department of defense you know

3754
02:26:55,510 --> 02:26:53,680
remember this is years later and even

3755
02:26:56,630 --> 02:26:55,520
the va are starting to ask questions

3756
02:26:57,990 --> 02:26:56,640
about

3757
02:27:00,070 --> 02:26:58,000
well

3758
02:27:02,469 --> 02:27:00,080
these guys were interrogated

3759
02:27:04,309 --> 02:27:02,479
this stuff took place we need some more

3760
02:27:06,630 --> 02:27:04,319
answers to what

3761
02:27:10,070 --> 02:27:06,640
what happened why did this take place

3762
02:27:11,830 --> 02:27:10,080
so they've based on my settlement

3763
02:27:13,830 --> 02:27:11,840
that the they said i was injured during

3764
02:27:15,270 --> 02:27:13,840
the event and this other person's

3765
02:27:17,830 --> 02:27:15,280
they're now starting to ask more

3766
02:27:20,389 --> 02:27:17,840
questions to included they wanted a

3767
02:27:21,990 --> 02:27:20,399
affidavit from halt who refused to give

3768
02:27:23,030 --> 02:27:22,000
it

3769
02:27:27,670 --> 02:27:23,040
these

3770
02:27:28,950 --> 02:27:27,680
i mentioned earlier in the show of

3771
02:27:31,670 --> 02:27:28,960
the book

3772
02:27:34,389 --> 02:27:31,680
sky crash a cosmic conspiracy and i i

3773
02:27:35,910 --> 02:27:34,399
believe that book i could be wrong this

3774
02:27:37,110 --> 02:27:35,920
is my memory but it came out in the mid

3775
02:27:39,670 --> 02:27:37,120
80s

3776
02:27:42,469 --> 02:27:39,680
and that was a brenda butler and dot

3777
02:27:44,389 --> 02:27:42,479
street and of course jenny randalls

3778
02:27:45,670 --> 02:27:44,399
and through

3779
02:27:47,670 --> 02:27:45,680
you know i spent so much time

3780
02:27:49,510 --> 02:27:47,680
researching this and and back then in

3781
02:27:50,630 --> 02:27:49,520
the mid-90s i happened to get a copy of

3782
02:27:53,510 --> 02:27:50,640
the book

3783
02:27:55,670 --> 02:27:53,520
um and so to that end it's kind of funny

3784
02:27:59,030 --> 02:27:55,680
that i mentioned brenda butler

3785
02:28:00,790 --> 02:27:59,040
and i have some questions from her uh do

3786
02:28:02,389 --> 02:28:00,800
you want to take a crack at these

3787
02:28:04,469 --> 02:28:02,399
sure okay

3788
02:28:07,110 --> 02:28:04,479
night one and this is from brenda butler

3789
02:28:10,150 --> 02:28:07,120
who wrote uh co-wrote along with jenny

3790
02:28:12,950 --> 02:28:10,160
randalls and dot uh the original uh the

3791
02:28:15,670 --> 02:28:12,960
original research into rendleshim

3792
02:28:17,510 --> 02:28:15,680
uh going back to right after the event

3793
02:28:21,030 --> 02:28:17,520
actually uh

3794
02:28:23,510 --> 02:28:21,040
this would have been 84.85

3795
02:28:26,550 --> 02:28:23,520
she says night one when john witnessed a

3796
02:28:28,150 --> 02:28:26,560
phenomenon with jim peniston and ed uh

3797
02:28:31,429 --> 02:28:28,160
uh cap and sag

3798
02:28:33,830 --> 02:28:31,439
after whatever it was took off they went

3799
02:28:35,910 --> 02:28:33,840
and searched for it towards the coast

3800
02:28:38,389 --> 02:28:35,920
and their pursuit terminated on a hill

3801
02:28:40,950 --> 02:28:38,399
overlooking the estuary toward

3802
02:28:43,830 --> 02:28:40,960
the coast and they could be and they

3803
02:28:45,830 --> 02:28:43,840
could see the beacon of the orford and

3804
02:28:49,030 --> 02:28:45,840
orford nest lighthouse

3805
02:28:51,590 --> 02:28:49,040
that hill is called burrow hill can you

3806
02:28:54,870 --> 02:28:51,600
ask john if he can remember being there

3807
02:28:58,309 --> 02:28:54,880
with ed cavansag and jim peniston

3808
02:28:59,670 --> 02:28:58,319
or had they become separated

3809
02:29:02,070 --> 02:28:59,680
okay

3810
02:29:04,469 --> 02:29:02,080
that's a great question because

3811
02:29:06,790 --> 02:29:04,479
yes we ended up on the hill and it's in

3812
02:29:08,790 --> 02:29:06,800
my statement it's an ed statement

3813
02:29:11,590 --> 02:29:08,800
when we got to the hill and could see

3814
02:29:13,349 --> 02:29:11,600
the coast that's when we could see the

3815
02:29:15,270 --> 02:29:13,359
lighthouse okay

3816
02:29:18,230 --> 02:29:15,280
and the interesting thing was when i

3817
02:29:20,630 --> 02:29:18,240
went just back to this in may i went

3818
02:29:22,550 --> 02:29:20,640
back to that area and it's quite a ways

3819
02:29:24,309 --> 02:29:22,560
it's quite the hike out there and it's

3820
02:29:26,469 --> 02:29:24,319
through rough terrain and

3821
02:29:29,110 --> 02:29:26,479
it's just hard to explain how we got out

3822
02:29:31,270 --> 02:29:29,120
there and back in the time frame but

3823
02:29:33,270 --> 02:29:31,280
yeah i once i got there and i looked out

3824
02:29:34,870 --> 02:29:33,280
that was it that was the memory i have

3825
02:29:36,550 --> 02:29:34,880
where we ended up

3826
02:29:37,670 --> 02:29:36,560
and um

3827
02:29:39,590 --> 02:29:37,680
so

3828
02:29:41,590 --> 02:29:39,600
and yeah all three of us were together

3829
02:29:44,309 --> 02:29:41,600
when we got there

3830
02:29:47,349 --> 02:29:44,319
she also references uh the part about

3831
02:29:48,389 --> 02:29:47,359
you stumbling into the stream uh she

3832
02:29:49,990 --> 02:29:48,399
asked the question a little bit

3833
02:29:50,950 --> 02:29:50,000
differently it's kind of funny that uh

3834
02:29:52,630 --> 02:29:50,960
these

3835
02:29:54,150 --> 02:29:52,640
uh that there are so many people

3836
02:29:56,710 --> 02:29:54,160
interested in this but the question is

3837
02:29:59,830 --> 02:29:56,720
can john remember was it near the field

3838
02:30:01,190 --> 02:29:59,840
or was it the hill where the stream was

3839
02:30:02,469 --> 02:30:01,200
well that's the thing when we

3840
02:30:04,070 --> 02:30:02,479
backtracked all this there's different

3841
02:30:06,070 --> 02:30:04,080
areas where we could have got wet but i

3842
02:30:06,950 --> 02:30:06,080
honestly do not know

3843
02:30:09,910 --> 02:30:06,960
where

3844
02:30:12,150 --> 02:30:09,920
we exactly if what what what we stumbled

3845
02:30:14,070 --> 02:30:12,160
into and to be honest with you

3846
02:30:15,429 --> 02:30:14,080
to for us to get from where we were to

3847
02:30:17,270 --> 02:30:15,439
there we would have had to cross more

3848
02:30:18,630 --> 02:30:17,280
than one of them and

3849
02:30:21,110 --> 02:30:18,640
that was one of the things that came out

3850
02:30:21,910 --> 02:30:21,120
under my hypnosis when we were coming

3851
02:30:25,429 --> 02:30:21,920
back

3852
02:30:27,910 --> 02:30:25,439
we it was like how did we get here and

3853
02:30:31,030 --> 02:30:27,920
i don't remember this going out there

3854
02:30:33,270 --> 02:30:31,040
so what really did happen so

3855
02:30:34,309 --> 02:30:33,280
that is a big question and a mystery to

3856
02:30:37,349 --> 02:30:34,319
all this

3857
02:30:41,349 --> 02:30:37,359
did you see the beams of light that were

3858
02:30:43,910 --> 02:30:41,359
going into the weapons storage area

3859
02:30:45,830 --> 02:30:43,920
the um third night with hall when we

3860
02:30:47,270 --> 02:30:45,840
first met with him he pointed out to

3861
02:30:49,910 --> 02:30:47,280
some lights that you could see blue

3862
02:30:50,710 --> 02:30:49,920
lights in the sky and one of them was

3863
02:30:53,590 --> 02:30:50,720
over

3864
02:30:54,790 --> 02:30:53,600
the area of the weapons storage area at

3865
02:30:55,910 --> 02:30:54,800
that point

3866
02:30:57,830 --> 02:30:55,920
and

3867
02:30:59,750 --> 02:30:57,840
what i mean by is i can't tell you

3868
02:31:02,950 --> 02:30:59,760
exactly if it was over it but it was in

3869
02:31:05,750 --> 02:31:02,960
that vicinity and at one point yes a [\h__\h]

3870
02:31:07,990 --> 02:31:05,760
light did come down towards the ground

3871
02:31:11,110 --> 02:31:08,000
towards that facility yes in that

3872
02:31:12,790 --> 02:31:11,120
general location yes did you hear any

3873
02:31:14,790 --> 02:31:12,800
again i'm just reading

3874
02:31:17,429 --> 02:31:14,800
as the questions are written did you

3875
02:31:20,950 --> 02:31:17,439
hear any scuttlebutt on the results of

3876
02:31:23,030 --> 02:31:20,960
the said beam on the stored contents

3877
02:31:24,950 --> 02:31:23,040
i didn't hear that till the 90s when

3878
02:31:26,630 --> 02:31:24,960
halt came out and said that

3879
02:31:28,710 --> 02:31:26,640
that there was damage to one of the

3880
02:31:30,469 --> 02:31:28,720
bunkers and that some of the codes were

3881
02:31:31,750 --> 02:31:30,479
altered and the weapons that were inside

3882
02:31:35,030 --> 02:31:31,760
the bunkers

3883
02:31:37,429 --> 02:31:35,040
so no not immediately afterwards but

3884
02:31:39,910 --> 02:31:37,439
i do know that c5 came in and i do know

3885
02:31:42,550 --> 02:31:39,920
it went back in that area and i

3886
02:31:44,070 --> 02:31:42,560
and i did find out also that from halt

3887
02:31:46,070 --> 02:31:44,080
and there was a major that came forward

3888
02:31:47,750 --> 02:31:46,080
with robert hastings that said some of

3889
02:31:49,830 --> 02:31:47,760
the ordinance was removed because it was

3890
02:31:51,030 --> 02:31:49,840
damaged i don't know if it was on this

3891
02:31:52,950 --> 02:31:51,040
program

3892
02:31:55,110 --> 02:31:52,960
or if it was during the conversation

3893
02:31:57,510 --> 02:31:55,120
that i had with uh

3894
02:31:58,230 --> 02:31:57,520
colonel halt but i know that he said to

3895
02:32:00,230 --> 02:31:58,240
me

3896
02:32:01,910 --> 02:32:00,240
it may have been on the air i know that

3897
02:32:06,070 --> 02:32:01,920
he said to me

3898
02:32:08,389 --> 02:32:06,080
that there was a craft a ufo that was

3899
02:32:10,710 --> 02:32:08,399
definitely alien that was over the

3900
02:32:12,870 --> 02:32:10,720
weapon storage unit that was shining

3901
02:32:14,070 --> 02:32:12,880
beams of light down onto the storage

3902
02:32:15,830 --> 02:32:14,080
units

3903
02:32:17,670 --> 02:32:15,840
so i don't know if he said it publicly

3904
02:32:20,309 --> 02:32:17,680
out there if he said it on the show but

3905
02:32:22,230 --> 02:32:20,319
he definitely said it to me well no he's

3906
02:32:23,990 --> 02:32:22,240
talked about that and he actually did a

3907
02:32:26,389 --> 02:32:24,000
conference they did at the press club

3908
02:32:28,870 --> 02:32:26,399
hastings did one about nuclear

3909
02:32:31,429 --> 02:32:28,880
weapons and you know different armament

3910
02:32:33,830 --> 02:32:31,439
that was affected by ufos and from what

3911
02:32:35,510 --> 02:32:33,840
i understand and this is hearsay so take

3912
02:32:36,870 --> 02:32:35,520
it for what you want right that after

3913
02:32:39,270 --> 02:32:36,880
that conference some of the people

3914
02:32:41,110 --> 02:32:39,280
including hall got admonished for some

3915
02:32:44,150 --> 02:32:41,120
of what they were talking about

3916
02:32:46,309 --> 02:32:44,160
and it it and since then hall has walked

3917
02:32:48,870 --> 02:32:46,319
back a little bit of what he said to

3918
02:32:51,910 --> 02:32:48,880
hastings and he said publicly before he

3919
02:32:54,469 --> 02:32:51,920
hasn't been as open or forthright with

3920
02:32:57,349 --> 02:32:54,479
you know that that part of it as much

3921
02:32:59,510 --> 02:32:57,359
he got angry with me on the phone when i

3922
02:33:03,110 --> 02:32:59,520
pressed him on the nuclear issue

3923
02:33:05,030 --> 02:33:03,120
i mean i mean it was

3924
02:33:08,070 --> 02:33:05,040
there was some language

3925
02:33:10,230 --> 02:33:08,080
uh that went down so i i i pressed him

3926
02:33:11,910 --> 02:33:10,240
on it he absolutely said there was no

3927
02:33:14,630 --> 02:33:11,920
nuclear weapons there and

3928
02:33:15,830 --> 02:33:14,640
and it was it got really bad it got

3929
02:33:18,550 --> 02:33:15,840
really bad so

3930
02:33:20,309 --> 02:33:18,560
um now um okay let's let's continue i

3931
02:33:24,070 --> 02:33:20,319
want to get all of these out has your

3932
02:33:27,030 --> 02:33:24,080
son had any contact or experiences

3933
02:33:28,230 --> 02:33:27,040
okay that's an interesting thing to say

3934
02:33:30,070 --> 02:33:28,240
because

3935
02:33:31,429 --> 02:33:30,080
when we lived in sedona

3936
02:33:32,710 --> 02:33:31,439
okay

3937
02:33:35,110 --> 02:33:32,720
we had

3938
02:33:37,030 --> 02:33:35,120
something strange happened that

3939
02:33:39,110 --> 02:33:37,040
i i i don't know how to explain it other

3940
02:33:43,110 --> 02:33:39,120
than just i'll brief summarize

3941
02:33:44,550 --> 02:33:43,120
uh i i've had some hopey people some

3942
02:33:46,630 --> 02:33:44,560
hopi

3943
02:33:48,790 --> 02:33:46,640
people within the tribe you know

3944
02:33:50,950 --> 02:33:48,800
including an elder

3945
02:33:53,429 --> 02:33:50,960
reached out to me i was brought up to

3946
02:33:56,389 --> 02:33:53,439
hopi i was allowed to see some of their

3947
02:33:57,349 --> 02:33:56,399
dances and their heritage go to the rock

3948
02:33:58,630 --> 02:33:57,359
um

3949
02:33:59,670 --> 02:33:58,640
was

3950
02:34:03,190 --> 02:33:59,680
had a

3951
02:34:05,750 --> 02:34:03,200
blue kachina dancer approached me um

3952
02:34:07,510 --> 02:34:05,760
give me a route buried the route when i

3953
02:34:09,830 --> 02:34:07,520
got back from up there

3954
02:34:11,670 --> 02:34:09,840
on the elder told me to do it and he

3955
02:34:13,110 --> 02:34:11,680
actually called me back up to confirm it

3956
02:34:15,510 --> 02:34:13,120
and i hadn't done it yet so i went out

3957
02:34:17,990 --> 02:34:15,520
and buried it in the backyard and there

3958
02:34:20,790 --> 02:34:18,000
was some orbs and stuff

3959
02:34:22,630 --> 02:34:20,800
i can't explain it but in his room he

3960
02:34:24,710 --> 02:34:22,640
yelled and screamed at me shortly after

3961
02:34:26,550 --> 02:34:24,720
i came back in was in the house doing

3962
02:34:28,710 --> 02:34:26,560
other stuff i ran in the room and there

3963
02:34:31,030 --> 02:34:28,720
was some blue orbs in the room and

3964
02:34:32,309 --> 02:34:31,040
and at one point a red orb started to

3965
02:34:34,469 --> 02:34:32,319
come through

3966
02:34:36,150 --> 02:34:34,479
the the wall from the outside and the

3967
02:34:37,990 --> 02:34:36,160
blue orbs chased it away and then they

3968
02:34:39,750 --> 02:34:38,000
departed through the wall and we're gone

3969
02:34:41,910 --> 02:34:39,760
you know what so

3970
02:34:44,389 --> 02:34:41,920
when you say something that

3971
02:34:45,990 --> 02:34:44,399
like that out loud right do you feel a

3972
02:34:47,910 --> 02:34:46,000
little funny

3973
02:34:51,590 --> 02:34:47,920
i mean it's a crazy thing to admit to

3974
02:34:52,870 --> 02:34:51,600
i've seen an orb i've seen only one

3975
02:34:55,590 --> 02:34:52,880
but

3976
02:34:58,230 --> 02:34:55,600
they're real man that's all i can say

3977
02:35:00,389 --> 02:34:58,240
right and i can't explain it i know then

3978
02:35:01,750 --> 02:35:00,399
that it did it happened right after the

3979
02:35:04,389 --> 02:35:01,760
uh root was

3980
02:35:07,750 --> 02:35:04,399
was buried um

3981
02:35:09,990 --> 02:35:07,760
and that then after that he was

3982
02:35:11,510 --> 02:35:10,000
the hope he took him up and treated him

3983
02:35:13,590 --> 02:35:11,520
like royalty

3984
02:35:14,630 --> 02:35:13,600
and it was a whole unique experience

3985
02:35:17,190 --> 02:35:14,640
with that

3986
02:35:19,510 --> 02:35:17,200
that took place afterwards and

3987
02:35:21,750 --> 02:35:19,520
so that is something that happened for

3988
02:35:22,870 --> 02:35:21,760
real and what to totally make of it i'm

3989
02:35:24,710 --> 02:35:22,880
not sure

3990
02:35:26,070 --> 02:35:24,720
you know and there was one other event

3991
02:35:29,270 --> 02:35:26,080
that happened to me while i was in

3992
02:35:32,389 --> 02:35:29,280
sedona too that it's hard to explain but

3993
02:35:35,750 --> 02:35:32,399
i don't know what it was and i don't

3994
02:35:38,469 --> 02:35:35,760
know what these blue lights were

3995
02:35:42,070 --> 02:35:38,479
john did you eat any of that root come

3996
02:35:45,429 --> 02:35:43,510
and um

3997
02:35:48,150 --> 02:35:45,439
i i can't i there's things that have

3998
02:35:49,670 --> 02:35:48,160
happened jimmy that just i i'm not gonna

3999
02:35:51,349 --> 02:35:49,680
if i'm asked i'll tell you but i'm not

4000
02:35:53,349 --> 02:35:51,359
gonna go around talking about it all the

4001
02:35:54,870 --> 02:35:53,359
time but there are some strange things

4002
02:35:57,270 --> 02:35:54,880
that have taken place i know i can't

4003
02:35:58,389 --> 02:35:57,280
explain you know i'm okay with it now i

4004
02:36:00,389 --> 02:35:58,399
used to be

4005
02:36:03,110 --> 02:36:00,399
you know i used to hold it in

4006
02:36:04,870 --> 02:36:03,120
you know i that's it i just i just spew

4007
02:36:06,790 --> 02:36:04,880
it now that there's nothing else that

4008
02:36:09,429 --> 02:36:06,800
can be done this this next question is a

4009
02:36:11,590 --> 02:36:09,439
great one also from brenda butler i'm

4010
02:36:14,230 --> 02:36:11,600
wondering where she's going with this

4011
02:36:18,070 --> 02:36:14,240
and i'm sure that you have the answer

4012
02:36:21,030 --> 02:36:18,080
in either night that john was involved

4013
02:36:24,150 --> 02:36:21,040
can he remember seeing any cattle in the

4014
02:36:26,150 --> 02:36:24,160
farmers field that some nowadays call

4015
02:36:28,870 --> 02:36:26,160
cable green

4016
02:36:31,349 --> 02:36:28,880
the only thing on the first night was

4017
02:36:33,590 --> 02:36:31,359
that we could hear the the the the

4018
02:36:35,670 --> 02:36:33,600
wildlife and the farm animals and it

4019
02:36:36,710 --> 02:36:35,680
appeared to sound like cows they went

4020
02:36:38,389 --> 02:36:36,720
crazy

4021
02:36:40,309 --> 02:36:38,399
at one point when we were in the forest

4022
02:36:42,150 --> 02:36:40,319
this is before we got into the field

4023
02:36:44,389 --> 02:36:42,160
itself and went forward

4024
02:36:45,990 --> 02:36:44,399
but i don't remember seeing any cattle

4025
02:36:47,750 --> 02:36:46,000
but you could hear them that was the

4026
02:36:49,590 --> 02:36:47,760
first night what about the third night

4027
02:36:52,309 --> 02:36:49,600
no not the third night i don't remember

4028
02:36:54,710 --> 02:36:52,319
any kind of but halt did mention it that

4029
02:36:56,790 --> 02:36:54,720
that the uh barnyard animals were going

4030
02:36:59,750 --> 02:36:56,800
crazy in his tape now why do you think

4031
02:37:02,070 --> 02:36:59,760
uh brenda would ask if you saw cattle

4032
02:37:03,670 --> 02:37:02,080
the reports of the the loud animals

4033
02:37:05,510 --> 02:37:03,680
that's that's been out there forever

4034
02:37:07,910 --> 02:37:05,520
right that's been documented but what

4035
02:37:09,510 --> 02:37:07,920
about seeing cattle what is uh brenda uh

4036
02:37:11,750 --> 02:37:09,520
going on i don't know you'd have to ask

4037
02:37:15,349 --> 02:37:11,760
her i don't know yeah very interesting

4038
02:37:19,190 --> 02:37:15,359
very interesting okay uh let's see what

4039
02:37:22,070 --> 02:37:19,200
else do i have here just going up

4040
02:37:26,710 --> 02:37:24,870
was your did you say this is the

4041
02:37:28,790 --> 02:37:26,720
question direct did you say that your

4042
02:37:31,429 --> 02:37:28,800
wife was adopted too

4043
02:37:34,150 --> 02:37:31,439
no no my wife's not adopted that's why

4044
02:37:36,790 --> 02:37:34,160
i asked for the the check on myself and

4045
02:37:38,870 --> 02:37:36,800
then to see what my son's heritage was

4046
02:37:41,990 --> 02:37:38,880
was because my wife knows her family

4047
02:37:44,469 --> 02:37:42,000
tree and background or my ex-wife knows

4048
02:37:46,389 --> 02:37:44,479
it but i didn't know mine so that's what

4049
02:37:48,469 --> 02:37:46,399
my son was actually asking questions

4050
02:37:50,469 --> 02:37:48,479
about that had nothing to do with any of

4051
02:37:52,389 --> 02:37:50,479
this he just wanted to know

4052
02:37:55,349 --> 02:37:52,399
he knew his mother's side but he wanted

4053
02:37:57,349 --> 02:37:55,359
to know my side so i figured well if i'm

4054
02:37:59,429 --> 02:37:57,359
going to give him this for the study

4055
02:38:01,270 --> 02:37:59,439
let's see if they'll at least

4056
02:38:03,190 --> 02:38:01,280
you know do a check on him and i and

4057
02:38:05,990 --> 02:38:03,200
they did and that's what came back were

4058
02:38:07,910 --> 02:38:06,000
you ever bound by a non-disclosure

4059
02:38:10,870 --> 02:38:07,920
agreement

4060
02:38:12,950 --> 02:38:10,880
um not until recently

4061
02:38:15,270 --> 02:38:12,960
say what okay

4062
02:38:17,270 --> 02:38:15,280
okay explain

4063
02:38:18,950 --> 02:38:17,280
i can't say much i just i'm under

4064
02:38:21,590 --> 02:38:18,960
non-disclosure for a couple things right

4065
02:38:23,110 --> 02:38:21,600
now that i can't talk about until after

4066
02:38:25,510 --> 02:38:23,120
it becomes public

4067
02:38:26,309 --> 02:38:25,520
through some of the work that's going on

4068
02:38:30,110 --> 02:38:26,319
so

4069
02:38:32,550 --> 02:38:30,120
but early on no i was never tied to a

4070
02:38:35,590 --> 02:38:32,560
non-disclosure per se other than two

4071
02:38:37,910 --> 02:38:35,600
things number one what was the resources

4072
02:38:39,030 --> 02:38:37,920
and some of the things at the base

4073
02:38:44,870 --> 02:38:39,040
and

4074
02:38:47,349 --> 02:38:44,880
two not signed it but was was told not

4075
02:38:49,910 --> 02:38:47,359
to talk about it until i got clearance

4076
02:38:51,910 --> 02:38:49,920
from the pentagon when uh the news of

4077
02:38:53,750 --> 02:38:51,920
the world hit the stands that i was

4078
02:38:55,030 --> 02:38:53,760
actually given permission to talk about

4079
02:38:58,230 --> 02:38:55,040
the incident

4080
02:39:01,349 --> 02:38:58,240
now uh this is a question uh that

4081
02:39:04,630 --> 02:39:01,359
happened tonight in real time

4082
02:39:07,270 --> 02:39:04,640
and it is about nick pope tonight nick

4083
02:39:09,429 --> 02:39:07,280
pope was on fox news

4084
02:39:11,670 --> 02:39:09,439
uh were you aware of that he was on once

4085
02:39:14,309 --> 02:39:11,680
again with tucker carlson yeah i've seen

4086
02:39:15,910 --> 02:39:14,319
some of his um some of his appearances

4087
02:39:17,910 --> 02:39:15,920
but i didn't know about tonight no i was

4088
02:39:19,910 --> 02:39:17,920
doing a show earlier tonight that we

4089
02:39:22,070 --> 02:39:19,920
were pre-taping so i don't know what

4090
02:39:24,870 --> 02:39:22,080
nick said tonight okay the question is

4091
02:39:27,030 --> 02:39:24,880
does john burroughs know of a breaking

4092
02:39:29,830 --> 02:39:27,040
announcement by nick pope on fox news

4093
02:39:32,550 --> 02:39:29,840
tonight regarding a foia document

4094
02:39:35,349 --> 02:39:32,560
verifying government research into ufos

4095
02:39:37,750 --> 02:39:35,359
and other anomalies based on drake

4096
02:39:40,790 --> 02:39:37,760
equation estimates

4097
02:39:43,270 --> 02:39:40,800
yeah no i'm well aware of that and in

4098
02:39:45,110 --> 02:39:43,280
fact this back story is that george

4099
02:39:48,150 --> 02:39:45,120
knapp released the initial stuff on the

4100
02:39:49,910 --> 02:39:48,160
dia reports to congress and nick pope

4101
02:39:51,190 --> 02:39:49,920
did a foia which he's one of the few

4102
02:39:53,990 --> 02:39:51,200
that's done this

4103
02:39:57,110 --> 02:39:54,000
everybody else is still chasing tic tac

4104
02:39:59,110 --> 02:39:57,120
and all this other stuff and nick said

4105
02:40:01,110 --> 02:39:59,120
oh wait a minute we have a harry reid

4106
02:40:03,429 --> 02:40:01,120
letter we have all this stuff and we

4107
02:40:06,070 --> 02:40:03,439
have these di documents let's confirm if

4108
02:40:08,389 --> 02:40:06,080
this is real or not and that yeah it

4109
02:40:10,309 --> 02:40:08,399
came back floya admitted and and it even

4110
02:40:11,270 --> 02:40:10,319
opened up some of the documents that

4111
02:40:15,910 --> 02:40:11,280
were

4112
02:40:18,230 --> 02:40:15,920
uh the nap stuff there was a couple

4113
02:40:20,469 --> 02:40:18,240
documents that now were not redacted

4114
02:40:23,990 --> 02:40:20,479
right so he got confirmation from the

4115
02:40:26,309 --> 02:40:24,000
dia that yes there were papers that they

4116
02:40:27,990 --> 02:40:26,319
gave to congress to brief them on some

4117
02:40:29,750 --> 02:40:28,000
of what's taken place

4118
02:40:32,790 --> 02:40:29,760
john i want to thank you for being so

4119
02:40:34,389 --> 02:40:32,800
open and candid tonight i know that

4120
02:40:36,309 --> 02:40:34,399
at times it could be difficult not only

4121
02:40:39,510 --> 02:40:36,319
to recount but to

4122
02:40:41,270 --> 02:40:39,520
uh go over the story once again but you

4123
02:40:43,670 --> 02:40:41,280
know this is now part of the historical

4124
02:40:45,030 --> 02:40:43,680
record and and thank you for uh being

4125
02:40:46,630 --> 02:40:45,040
patient and answering all of the

4126
02:40:47,429 --> 02:40:46,640
questions from the audience thank you so

4127
02:40:49,349 --> 02:40:47,439
much

4128
02:40:50,950 --> 02:40:49,359
thanks for having me on jimmy and i i

4129
02:40:52,870 --> 02:40:50,960
guarantee you we've added more to the

4130
02:40:54,870 --> 02:40:52,880
story and there's more to come so we

4131
02:40:57,270 --> 02:40:54,880
didn't put a final fork in it yet no i

4132
02:40:59,590 --> 02:40:57,280
got it i got i know i got the feeling in

4133
02:41:02,469 --> 02:40:59,600
about six months we've got to go back

4134
02:41:04,469 --> 02:41:02,479
and do it all again and and we will yeah

4135
02:41:06,469 --> 02:41:04,479
and and i want to tell the audience if

4136
02:41:08,150 --> 02:41:06,479
if it's true and and i say true this

4137
02:41:10,070 --> 02:41:08,160
because this i don't control this

4138
02:41:12,230 --> 02:41:10,080
there's going to be a nine part

4139
02:41:13,349 --> 02:41:12,240
documentary coming out sometime in the

4140
02:41:15,429 --> 02:41:13,359
near future

4141
02:41:16,469 --> 02:41:15,439
not only on reynolds but other events

4142
02:41:17,270 --> 02:41:16,479
and stuff and

4143
02:41:18,950 --> 02:41:17,280
and

4144
02:41:20,469 --> 02:41:18,960
some of the involvement with to the

4145
02:41:22,870 --> 02:41:20,479
stars program and everything that's

4146
02:41:24,950 --> 02:41:22,880
going to come out in the next few months

4147
02:41:26,150 --> 02:41:24,960
and yeah you're right after that airs i

4148
02:41:28,630 --> 02:41:26,160
think you're going to want to probably

4149
02:41:30,950 --> 02:41:28,640
talk more about all this so thank you

4150
02:41:32,630 --> 02:41:30,960
john be safe take care of your health

4151
02:41:35,190 --> 02:41:32,640
take care of your family say hello to

4152
02:41:37,110 --> 02:41:35,200
your mom for me and enjoy the rest of

4153
02:41:38,230 --> 02:41:37,120
your evening my friend thank you so much

4154
02:41:41,230 --> 02:41:38,240
thanks jimmy

4155
02:41:43,030 --> 02:41:41,240
john burroughs and of course

4156
02:41:45,750 --> 02:41:43,040
kgra

4157
02:41:48,389 --> 02:41:45,760
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02:41:50,950 --> 02:41:48,399
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4159
02:41:53,349 --> 02:41:50,960
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4160
02:41:55,030 --> 02:41:53,359
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4161
02:41:57,270 --> 02:41:55,040
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02:42:36,230 --> 02:42:34,560
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02:42:40,469 --> 02:42:36,240
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